Eurycoma longifolia jack, aka Tongkat Ali. E???

[40butpumpin]

I found the following product on BAC. Can anyone comment on it?

NEW! LONGJAX(tm), is a 20:1 premium extract of Eurycoma longifolia jack, aka Tongkat Ali. E. longifolia jack has been used safely as a tonic and aphrodisiac in Southeast Asia for hundreds of years. Animal studies show increased testosterone levels accompanied by increased sexual desire and activity. Just 200mg once a day has been said to be an effective dose to increase the body's natural testosterone production. Athletes and bodybuilders are starting to use E. longifolia jack and some (of course) are using up to 800mg/day. Like tribulus, LongJax is not illegal for athletes nor will it test false-positive for steroids. It is a water extract with high solubility. As a sexual enhancer, it works well on the desire side with products that are effective for increasing function (See Ultimate V), and its anti-anxiety properties may help those with performance anxiety. 20 grams (100 x 200mg doses), $16.00. Code 884.0

 

[40butpumpin]

And this study... (can someone please tell me what the boldface below means).


Effects of Eurycoma longifolia Jack (Tongkat Ali) on the initiation of sexual performance of inexperienced castrated male rats.

Author
Ang HH ; Cheang HS ; Yusof AP
Address
School of Pharmaceutical Sciences, University Science Malaysia, Penang, Malaysia.
Source
Exp Anim, 49(1):35-8 2000 Jan
Abstract
We studied the effects of Eurycoma longifolia Jack, commonly known as Tongkat Ali in Malaysia, on the initiation of sexual performance and the weights of sexual accessories in inexperienced castrated male rats. The doses of 200, 400 and 800 mg/kg body weight, which were extracted from E. longifolia Jack, were orally administered to the rats twice daily for 10 days prior to the tests and continued throughout the test period. Testosterone was used as a positive control after injecting 15 mg/kg daily subcutaneously for 32 days. Results showed that E. longifolia Jack produced a dose-dependent increase in sexual performance of the treated animals, but the E. longifolia Jack groups showed lower sexual performance in mounting, intromission and ejaculation than the testosterone group. Further results also showed that E. longifolia Jack promoted the growth of both ventral prostate and seminal vesicles as compared with the control, but the growth of sexual accessories at 800 mg/kg of butanol, methanol, water and chloroform fractions of E. longifolia Jack was less than that of testosterone treated group. The present study therefore gives further evidence of the folkuse of E. longifolia as an aphrodisiac.

 

[pitbullstl]

Bumpity Bumpity Bump!!

 

[twistedneck]

20 to 1 extract is a joke. You would need approx. 1.5 g a day to do anything. more like 2g. The real stuff is 50 or 100 to 1. Thats what all the studies are quoted from. twistedneck.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've used that stuff on two seperate occasions at hefty dosages. Once from the original manufacturer and once from BAC. It did nothing either time.

That's the thing with BAC -- they're a great company but they aren't real discrimnating. They'll sell ANYTHING that shows ANY promise at all -- which is cool because I want the choice. But I can't recommend this.

Of course, stacking Proviron with Unleashed and "Post-Cycle" and taking an extra 2 grams of Arginine will give you erectile rigidity capable of boring through cemtent. Vaginas worldwide will cower in fear of annihiation. (Okay, now I'm getting carried away)

 

[lawnsaver]

I too took long jax and felt nothing!

 

[40butpumpin]

...will give you erectile rigidity capable of boring through cemtent. Vaginas worldwide will cower in fear of annihiation. (Okay, now I'm getting carried away)

it was a nice thought while it lasted, all 10 seconds of it (until i read the "Okay, now I'm getting carried away" part).

that's right, 10 seconds, so i day-dreamed a little.

 

[twistedneck]

Of course, stacking Proviron with Unleashed and "Post-Cycle" and taking an extra 2 grams of Arginine will give you erectile rigidity capable of boring through cemtent. Vaginas worldwide will cower in fear of annihiation. (Okay, now I'm getting carried away)

I do not have access to Proviron but I do have access to Masteron (Drostanalone propionate). Would this be a worthy substitue for Proviron at end of cycle, post cycle (both are DHT)? Also, I was only going to run 'post cycle' and not 'unleashed' after my cycle.. do you recommend both, and with Zip / Thermorexin combo after? man.. too many questions.

Thanks bro.. Twistedneck.

 

[geoboy]

And this study... (can someone please tell me what the boldface below means).
Results showed that E. longifolia Jack produced a dose-dependent increase in sexual performance of the treated animals, but the E. longifolia Jack groups showed lower sexual performance in mounting, intromission and ejaculation than the testosterone group. ............ The present study therefore gives further evidence of the folkuse of E. longifolia as an aphrodisiac.

just that at doses cited, Longjack was good, but test was better (for mounting, penetration, and facials...i mean ejaculations)

 

[Singleton]

Nelson, since you're on HRT, how do you expect E. Longifolia to ^ your T?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, since you're on HRT, how do you expect E. Longifolia to ^ your T?

I don't believe anything can up T.

Only avenasativacoside, muara puama and urtica dioica can lower SHBG, therfore increasing free testosterone. That's the best you'll get from any natural ingredient.
And even on HRT, you can feel an increase in free T. Longfolia never gave it to me.

I also feel a libido boost from Maca and epimedium. Never got it from Longfolia.

 

[Singleton]

We still don't know the how E. Longifolia increases sexual desire. Does it ^ T?

Perhaps it increases the conversion of T to DHT. This would explain the sexual effect seen in the rats.

I don't really like the experiment. We need a controlled study that uses humans and T levels.

 

[Singleton]

Things that can ^ T (from my very limited knowledge) :
* Blocking aromatase
* stimulation of LH
* Environmental Factors (Winning a game, sexual stimulus, sunlight)

When T is converted to E, the hypothalamus stops releasing gonadotroping releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH is responsible for stimulating the production of LH. LH is responsible for the production of T.

Blocking aromitase prevents T from being converted to E. Which means GnRH production can continue -> LH production can continue -> T production can continue -> ^ in T.


Now, back to this longjax stuff.

If E. longifolia blocks aromitase, you won't have a significant increase in T, Nelson, because you're on HRT. Same thing with 6-oxo, and I would assume anastrozole or letrozole would give you a similar result.

Who knows what E. longifolia does? I mean, besides increasing facials in rats. What does it really do?

I took today 600mg at 7:15 am. I'm going to take another 600 mg. now 10 am. I'll post again.


A bit off topic: anyone try cortex cinnamomi?

 

[twistedneck]

Excellent responses, Singleton, I want to hear your results.

 

[Singleton]

I took 2400mg today. 600 before AM WO, 1800 between then and a 3pm WO.

I was ultra tired, so I took a 1:1 of t-rex (thanks for the samples, anafit)/ ephedra, drank a cup of strong coffee, slapped on some lipoderm-Y, and took a few puffs off my inhaler.

Feelin good Gonna clean my house. Gonna use some of that P7 I bought to help me calm down & cut up at the same time.

My voice seemed deeper. Before all the stimulants kicked in, I felt tired yet focused. I caught myself whale watching a few times, and that's pretty unlike me. I usually scope out the skinny chicks, mostly asians. Great mental focus and recall today (even though I was tired).

What did the longjax do? I don't know. I'll try it again tomorrow.

 

[geoboy]

to get a good read on the longjack, stay away from the ephedra/caffiene/stimulants- they are vascoconstrictors and affect ridgidity of erections.

I took 2400mg today. 600 before AM WO, 1800 between then and a 3pm WO.

I was ultra tired, so I took a 1:1 of t-rex (thanks for the samples, anafit)/ ephedra, drank a cup of strong coffee, slapped on some lipoderm-Y, and took a few puffs off my inhaler.

Feelin good Gonna clean my house. Gonna use some of that P7 I bought to help me calm down & cut up at the same time.

My voice seemed deeper. Before all the stimulants kicked in, I felt tired yet focused. I caught myself whale watching a few times, and that's pretty unlike me. I usually scope out the skinny chicks, mostly asians. Great mental focus and recall today (even though I was tired).

What did the longjax do? I don't know. I'll try it again tomorrow.

 

[Singleton]

Took 2400mg again yesterday.

Got a great pump. Had some mounting behavior followed by/coupled with ejaculation.

To what degree the longjax contributed, I don't know.

took another 1200 mg today.

 

[geoboy]

Took 2400mg again yesterday.

Got a great pump. Had some mounting behavior followed by/coupled with ejaculation.

To what degree the longjax contributed, I don't know.

took another 1200 mg today.

where did you find a girl mouse? never mind- I'm mixing up the studies and the posts.