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Lojack said:
The Boldione/1-T combination has been working very well so far, but is not a necessity as 1-T is working very well on its own also. I would recommended it definitely if you are sensitive to the lethargic feeling that sometimes comes with low estrogen levels caused by 1-Test, as Boldione does aromatize somewhat. It is pretty moderate in this regard though (25-50% of testosterone), so gyno is not a big concern for most users (I haven't had any complaints yet at all). Also if you are planning to hit or exceed the maximim recommend dose on the gels, as the two do compliment each other very well (one estrogenic, one not) and may provide better gains compared to just taking more 1-T on its own.
- Bill
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I am starting to think that the lethargy and maybe even the libido decrease is not an estrogen related phenomenon. Other non aromatizable steroids are not known to do this. I think it is some phenomenon that we just can't explain right now
w_llewellyn said:
I am starting to think that the lethargy and maybe even the libido decrease is not an estrogen related phenomenon. Other non aromatizable steroids are not known to do this. I think it is some phenomenon that we just can't explain right now
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I have always been of the belief that the loss of libido was related to the less androgenic nature of 1-Test, and not estrogen. Numerous studies have shown non-aromatizable steroids, like DHT, to support libido.
I've never noticed lethargy, well above the ususal level anyway, on any steroid, aromatizing or not. I thought it an odd link, but its acceptance made me think I was just not sensitive to it. Interesting idea.
Infrequent reports of nipple sensitivity even though it shouldn;t aromatize, intrinsic irritation, inexplicable lethargy.. The is one odd little steroid here....
- Bill
pa1ad said:
I have always been of the belief that the loss of libido was related to the less androgenic nature of 1-Test, and not estrogen. Numerous studies have shown non-aromatizable steroids, like DHT, to support libido.
I've never noticed lethargy, well above the ususal level anyway, on any steroid, aromatizing or not. I thought it an odd link, but its acceptance made me think I was just not sensitive to it. Interesting idea.
Infrequent reports of nipple sensitivity even though it shouldn;t aromatize, intrinsic irritation, inexplicable lethargy.. The is one odd little steroid here....
- Bill
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1-test is pretty androgenic though. I have noticed lethargy on certain compounds, usually the ones that are more liver toxic.
I also have some theories on bitch tits that i don't really discuss cuz i think people are not ready to accept. I think that just increases in IGF-1 in the body can cause a flare up. Some steroids do that even ones that do not aromatize. And GH can cause flare ups, probably cuz of the IGF-1. Also, androgens tend to up-regulate estrogen receptor density in the breast so after the cycle you can really have a rebound when estrogen comes back.
anyway, i lost my train of thought, bye
w_llewellyn said:
1-test is pretty androgenic though. I have noticed lethargy on certain compounds, usually the ones that are more liver toxic.
I also have some theories on bitch tits that i don't really discuss cuz i think people are not ready to accept. I think that just increases in IGF-1 in the body can cause a flare up. Some steroids do that even ones that do not aromatize. And GH can cause flare ups, probably cuz of the IGF-1. Also, androgens tend to up-regulate estrogen receptor density in the breast so after the cycle you can really have a rebound when estrogen comes back.
anyway, i lost my train of thought, bye
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Yes, but not being 5-alpha reducable it does have a better ratio of activity than does testosterone. In my opinion not too much comes near the activity of testosterone here also, regardless of index values.
Interesting observation. Again, for me, aside from my normal laziness, I usually don't notice this.
If nothing else, this is a very interesting theory. And it does make some sense if the other possible links are all eliminated.
With that line of thinking I have to say you are alright Pat. I don't care what everyone says about you
- Bill
pa1ad said:
Yes, but not being 5-alpha reducable it does have a better ratio of activity than does testosterone. In my opinion not too much comes near the activity of testosterone here also, regardless of index values.
Interesting observation. Again, for me, aside from my normal laziness, I usually don't notice this.
If nothing else, this is a very interesting theory. And it does make some sense if the other possible links are all eliminated.
With that line of thinking I have to say you are alright Pat. I don't care what everyone says about you
- Bill
Very interesting comment on the estrogen receptor upregulation BTW, especially given the fact that androgens and estrogens play opposing roles here. If you have the ref I'd love to go pull it. I'll swap you for the likely inaccurate reference to 1-androstenedione aromatizing, and even throw in the one showing womem to get much better oral bioavailability on free testosterone than men to boot.
- Bill
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