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Estratest? Anyone ever heard of it?

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Well, I went to see the doc today. I finally got up enough nerve to discuss my low libido problem. He gives me a prescription for Estratest (estrogen/methyltestosterone). It's used mainly for women in menopause. The amount of estogen is about 1/20 of that found in birth control pills. He told me to take 1 pill every 3 days. I'm just wondering if anyone has ever heard of it? I guess I will keep everyone posted on my result. I feel like a dried up old lady taking HRT's:bawling: :bawling:
 
2.5mg. Is that low? Women in menopause take the tabs daily so he told me to take it only 2xs a week. If I don't get any results from that I will bump it up slowly until I get my MOJO back!!!!!!!
 
Good question, I'd have her check her E2 blood conc. mid-luteal and see where it is at.

Personally, androgel would have been my first choice. Never been a fan of methyl-T, even 2.5 mg is likely to decrease HDL.

W6
 
RE: Estratest

BG - I've been doing a lot of reading on hormones/low libido. From everything I've seen, the first (and hopefully only) route I want to go is some kind of topical natural testosterone (natural meaning bio-indentical) made from a compounding pharmacy. I'm still waiting for my appt w/ the endocrinologist, so I haven't tried it yet.

Below is a thread about Estratest from the newshe.com bulletin board. Not all of it applies to your situation specifically, but there's info and personal experiences w/ Estratest:

http://www.newshe.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000228.html
 
Thanks everyone! Well my doc didn't feel comfortable giving me the test gel first. I did ask him about it and I told him I knew of a few ladies using the gel. He went and asked other doctors their opinion on the gel for women but since non of them had ever used it on a woman my age he was reluctant to give it to me. I also explained to him that I was worried about the side effects from the estrogen because I can not even tolerate bc pills becuase the estogen makes me SICK!!! When I was on bc I had to take a progesterone(sp) pill. He said I had nothing to worry about becuase the amount of estogen in the pill is very very low. However the test cream is available for me if the Estratest does not work. He just wanted to start me out on this to see if it works; if not in a month we will try something else. We discussed test injections but he told me that he's only given those to elderly men and it would do something to my cholesterol levels so I was not up for that at all.

W6 what is E2 blood conc. mid-luteal? Could you explain that to me. If the test gel is a better and safer bet for me maybe I should call him back and ask for that. How do I keep my HDL (that's good cholesterol right) from dropping.

Corn, I have ZMA but I went on a website that talks about drug interactions with methytest and it says that it increases zinc production or something and that supplementing with zinc may not be a good idea. Or were you suggesting to take that alone?

I know I sound confused because honestly I am. 23 is too damn young to have to be on meds for libido IMO.

Thanks again Spatts, FF, W6, NYM and Corn, I really do appreciate it. I'm going to go check out that website now. And one more thing. He told me weight gain could be a side affect. Is that from the estogen or the test????? If it's anything like what I went through on Depo I'd much rather have a low libido........
 
Fit Fossil, I went to that message board and it scared the crap outta me!!!!! Oral test is bad for the liver?

"Estratest will cause side-effects, including but not limited to acne, permanent increase in body and facial hair, permanently deepened voice, permanently enlarged clitoris, more aggression."

WTF, I wasn't told about all these side affects. No, No, No, No, No!!!!! Also will my body stop making test like it does in guys that use some forms of AS? Is synthetic test bad? Woe is me, I'm so confused...............
 
So its 1 injection every 3 weeks. I'll run that by the doc at my check up in a month. He's pretty open minded. I guess the only way to find out how the oral stuff is going to effect me is by using it. So I will take it as directed and watch for side effects.

Thanks so much Lobo, I appreciate it!!!
 
BG: Didn't mean to scare you with that message board. Those are side effects you could get from most any androgen if the doses are too high for you. Everyone's tolerance is different. What works for one person might not for another.

The great thing is you have a dr who's willing to work w/ you. Even in this day and age there are docs who'd dismiss you and say "Take a hot bath and put on something pretty...you just need to relax more..." :mad: But even those who're understanding may not have extensive experience w/ hormones for premenopausal women other than birth control. The idea that women actually have a libido has long been a taboo subject, so it hasn't received the same attention from medical schools, pharmaceutical companies, etc. as male impotence.

The lady from that post who took too much Estratest and had bad side effects probably had no idea what her side effects were from and didn't know to tell her doctor, she just trusted he knew best and didn't question anything. That's why it's so important that you educate yourself as much as possible on treatments, their sides, etc. This board and newshe.com are great because you can hear from women who've done different treatments, which is more than just 1 doc can tell you.
 
Thanks Fit Fossil. I thank you for showing me that web site becuase there is a lot of usefull info on there. I just feel so out of place because most of the women on there are older than me and I feel like a FREAK of nature.

Yes my doctor is really great. He's actually my hubbys doctor too. My husband called him and made an appointment for me because the OB/GYN I went to never even got back to me with results of my hormone test; so obviously my problem was not too serious in his eyes.

Sorry to ramble, just had to vent a bit. It sucks feeling "broken". I'm thankful I have such a great husband. He's been very patient with me. and I'm thankful for the helpful people on Elite!! Y'all are the greatest.
 
"We discussed test injections but he told me that he's only given those to elderly men and it would do something to my cholesterol levels so I was not up for that at all."

Test inj are LEAST likely to affect your cholesterol levels, in fact a low dose is unlikely to have any significant effect, however the estratest oral probably WILL. Your doc hasn't a clue.

The gel is the best bet for controlling your daily test levels. While an inj will work, it gives you a high normal level for a few days and then you'll drop below where you want to be for a week or two before your next shot. Furthermore, IF side-effects occur, they will persist with the inj because of the prolonged action. The gel effects are greatly reduced in 24 - hours if you wash off the gel and within a few days if you don't.

I train a breast cancer survivor, early 40's who prefers to avoid estrogen, but takes 50 mg of test cyp every 5 weeks. She loves it. Feels better, more energy, improved sex drive, better workouts and thus far, no sides. Even her skin looks better.

None-the-less, the gel gives you absolute daily control.

The easiest way to monitor your dose is to apply a given amount of gel and check your blood test level a short time later. From Unimed's data, it looks like peak conc occur at 2 hrs following an application, then tapers around 4 hrs, then to a slow taper over the next 24 hrs. I'd check your test level around 4 hrs following an application, then again 4 hrs after an application after using the product for 5 days, that will tell you steady state conc. Then, you know what dose of gel produces what max T blood conc. and can make adjustments. I'd say 1/2 gram starting dose of andro-gel should work for a female. Lowest dose for guys is a 5 gram application and that produced a blood conc of about 550 ng/dl. It would be best to have a pharmacy produce a formulary mix so one application = 1/2 gram or so.

E2 is estradiol. If you want to know if what you are taking will suppress it, check it in the mid-luteal phase of your cycle and compare it to the normal range. OCs will keep the E2 conc in the early follicular range.

W6
 
Thanks for the info W6. My doc did admit that he does not have much experience in this area with women my age, but he is willing to work with me so that we can find a solution. Also I go to a military hospital so I can't really see a doc that "specializes" in this area.

Thank you for your time. I will print this out and show it to the doc. --BG
 
BronzedGoddess said:
Thanks Fit Fossil. I thank you for showing me that web site becuase there is a lot of usefull info on there. I just feel so out of place because most of the women on there are older than me and I feel like a FREAK of nature....
Don't feel like a freak of nature. I'm willing to bet there are many younger women like you right now, with plenty more to come down the pike.

Nowdays we're exposed to more and more estrogenic substances in our environment, coming from pesticides, foods, etc. These can act like estrogen in the body and throw our hormones out of balance. Hormonal birth control can also cause imbalances.

A lot of women are just going to suffer silently, because they think they're the only one, that it'll go away, or because they don't know it can and should be treated. Having a sufficient level of testosterone is important for many health functions in women, not just libido. You're going to be much better off treating it sooner rather than later.
 
Hey there Bronzed Goddess-Have you had your test levels checked to verify that lack of test is the problem?? I mean, if they are not low then supplementing with more test may not be the answer. It would also be good to have your mid-luteal progesterone checked. I agree that oral androgens are not the best idea in terms of your liver and cholesterol health. Definitely push for the gel if your doc is a reasonable person.
 
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