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what is your knowledge about "equipoise"?and what is your recommendation for?
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walmer setta
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GUYS.
Mr.G-ville
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I see you joined us..........EQ is simaliar to Deca,gains from Eq are slow but solid,helps promote vascularity and makes and your
apitiete.Very good product,it's one of my favorites. Doseage varies between 300-800 mgs. Sometimes is a little dirty because
it is a vetinary drug,so it may cause what is know as steroid fever.
basically a cold.
apitiete.Very good product,it's one of my favorites. Doseage varies between 300-800 mgs. Sometimes is a little dirty because
it is a vetinary drug,so it may cause what is know as steroid fever.
basically a cold.
walmer setta
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WHAT IS THE BEST QUALITY OF "EQUIPOISE" FOR YOU , GUYS?
21inch_arms
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walmer setta said:
Personally I perfer Deca but EQ has it's place in the anabolic arsenel. It was made for horses so there is no human versions but I personally believe that FORT DODGE is good for Site injection although it is only 50mg per ml. and Ultragan 100 made by Denkall AU is stronger and more expensive but seems to be more active. Remember EQ is extremely toxic to the liver so 6 weeks is a lot. Don't believe me go check out your post cycle blood profiles.
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Would it be effective at lower doses for LBM? If I could get this and avoid toxic side effects the added desire to eat would be very helpful to me. Thanks!
Would it be effective at lower doses for LBM? If I could get this and avoid toxic side effects the added desire to eat would be very helpful to me. Thanks!
21inch_arms
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CHANMAN said:
Where did you get this information on Equipoise, I would love to see a study backing your so called theroy. From the documentation I have read over the years and first hand knowlege I have understood Equipoise to be a synthetic version of Horse Testosterone. Why haven't they made a human version of Equipoise. I have had blood profiles done post equipoise cycles and I have had high enzime counts similar to methandrostenolone cycles...
YOU SOUND LIKE A SOMEONE THAT MAKES TRIPS TO MEXICO AND IS TRYING TO PUSH TT AND QV PRODUCTS WITH LIMITED HORMONE INFORMATION....... nothing personal but how close am I????
Too bad, strike this steroid out as one for a good AIDS Stack. Alan.
21inch_arms said:
horse testosterone??there is no such thing, bro test from a horse,bull,bird,and human are the same. They havent made a human version of eq b/c it serves no purpose to the medical community, there are other anti-wasting roids out there that might do a better job at what they are supposed to do, preserve the muslce mass of a sick person, not get them hard and vascular
eq is not known for being liver toxic, but hey its not like it cant happen
drveejay11
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Oh Huck..where are you????????????
According to World Anabolic Review 1996, EQ itself is NON toxic to the liver. Now I pressume that means it's made from a reputable lab. Not sure if that same zero toxicity would stand true with the TJ donkey or bathtub gear for obvious reasons?
I did TT EQ a couple months ago and got massive heart palpations. Not just one or two here and there. I would get them every 5 mins. I was very concerned. Been off for 4 weeks now, zero heart papls. Got no zits, and I was very satisfied with the gains. What does this all mean? I aint got a clue.
I did TT EQ a couple months ago and got massive heart palpations. Not just one or two here and there. I would get them every 5 mins. I was very concerned. Been off for 4 weeks now, zero heart papls. Got no zits, and I was very satisfied with the gains. What does this all mean? I aint got a clue.
buffdawg10
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Equipoise/Boldenone undecylenate is a veterinary steroid originally developed for use in horses. Boldenone has a number of beneficia properties making it a very popular used steroid in horseracing, greyhounds, racing pigeons,and also human use.
EQ/Boldenone, is very similar in stucture to testosterone, with the exception of having an additional double bond at the 1-carbon. This double bond is responsible, in part, for the drug having a more anabolic, less androgenic character than testosterone.
Equipoise added an 11-carbon long fatty acid ester to the steroid molecule, giving EQ a very slow release. Slowly realeased steroids appear to have a lower incidence of androgenic side effects and a more anabolic profile. Users commonly see a well-balanced, but slow increase in mass, strength and density.
EQ results are compared to those of Deca, but with slightly greater mass and strength, as it is more androgenic. EQ cycles are generally easily tolerated, with side effects reported to be minimal and short-lived. Side effects are few with EQ use due to its chemical structure, delivery and the pathways used to metabolize the drug.
The gains acquired from EQ are slower than most steroids, likely due to the extremely long ester chain. Most EQ cycles continue for longer periods of time to allow for the slower increases and because it is well tolerated. It's not uncommon to hear of EQ cycles to last over 16 weeks. The slow rate of progress seen with EQ also tends to encourage stacking, particularly with quicker orals.
EQ was historically used in moderation, ranging from 100-300 mgs. per week, as it was previously only available in low concentrations of either 25mgs. or 50mgs. However with the advent of more concentrated products of up to 200mgs./ml., dose schedules have increased and doeses are as high as 800mgs. per week.
In my opinion EQ is one of the best steroids out there today. I personally like the 200mg. EQ made by Ttokkyo and Quality Vet.
EQ/Boldenone, is very similar in stucture to testosterone, with the exception of having an additional double bond at the 1-carbon. This double bond is responsible, in part, for the drug having a more anabolic, less androgenic character than testosterone.
Equipoise added an 11-carbon long fatty acid ester to the steroid molecule, giving EQ a very slow release. Slowly realeased steroids appear to have a lower incidence of androgenic side effects and a more anabolic profile. Users commonly see a well-balanced, but slow increase in mass, strength and density.
EQ results are compared to those of Deca, but with slightly greater mass and strength, as it is more androgenic. EQ cycles are generally easily tolerated, with side effects reported to be minimal and short-lived. Side effects are few with EQ use due to its chemical structure, delivery and the pathways used to metabolize the drug.
The gains acquired from EQ are slower than most steroids, likely due to the extremely long ester chain. Most EQ cycles continue for longer periods of time to allow for the slower increases and because it is well tolerated. It's not uncommon to hear of EQ cycles to last over 16 weeks. The slow rate of progress seen with EQ also tends to encourage stacking, particularly with quicker orals.
EQ was historically used in moderation, ranging from 100-300 mgs. per week, as it was previously only available in low concentrations of either 25mgs. or 50mgs. However with the advent of more concentrated products of up to 200mgs./ml., dose schedules have increased and doeses are as high as 800mgs. per week.
In my opinion EQ is one of the best steroids out there today. I personally like the 200mg. EQ made by Ttokkyo and Quality Vet.
Cro Magnon
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"EQ is extremely toxic to the liver"
Why would this be (if true)? The C1-2 double bond?
CM
Why would this be (if true)? The C1-2 double bond?
CM
buffdawg10
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I would say about 12weeks, but the gains would depend on if it is your first cycle, size, weight etc.. Personally I would go at least 400 mg./week, to see good results.
Themachine01
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400mg/wk at the least
fallenangel
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from all my reading EQ is definetly not liver toxic
Themachine01
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I wasnt very impressed with the ttokkyo EQ @ 400mg/wk. I will be bumping it up to 600mg next go around.
Hey bros, hope this ansers any question on EQ.
OG
For something that is generally injected into cows, horses and dogs boldenone is quite a popular and well-liked drug by most bodybuilders because of its unique make-up. It possesses several characteristics that aren't found in any other substance and its use is so varied its much desired year-round. Boldenone is a decent anabolic coupled with both a mild androgenic and a mild estrogenic effect. Sort of like a weak testosterone. In structure it doesn't differ all that much from testosterone, the main anomaly being a double bond in the one position as well as the 4 position. Its nonetheless quite good at promoting gains, but mostly through a combination of androgenic potential and other media than the androgen and estrogen receptors.
The strange thing about its androgenic component is that it is mostly not mediated by a 5-alpha-reduced form, as is the case for most steroids. While it does indeed form a very potent 5AR form (dihydroboldenone, roughly 7 times as anabolic as testosterone1) its shows a very low affinity for the 5-alpha-reducatase enzyme2. This leads to the conclusion that a large part of the anabolic effect boldenone exerts is formed by the hormone itself binding to the androgen receptor. This could also be the reason its had such a successful run as a veterinary drug, because despite differences in the metabolism of species it has always produced extraordinary results.
Like most anabolic steroids it increases muscle mass over time by increasing nitrogen retention and positively influencing protein synthesis or re-synthesis. An action that is not necessarily supported by an androgenic mediator as was shown with nandrolone. What boldenone has that other steroids don't is that it indirectly supplies the necessary means for that protein synthesis because it drastically increases the appetite. Thereby facilitating the high nutritional intake (especially protein wise) needed to book the best results when using anabolic androgenic steroids. Its more of a benefit than you think as a lot of people have theorized that it is this increase that is responsible for the great results booked when using boldenone. This theory may hold its own as there is indeed not much proof of the kind of anabolic activity with boldenone that would be responsible for the elicited effect.
Its estrogenic activities are slight, but present. This has more of a positive than negative influence. The aromatisation of boldenone is too small to cause real problems and in normal doses (300-400 mg/week) problems such as gynocomastia and too much fat retention are unheard of. However small aromatisation is desirable as estrogen too mediates anabolic activity. It can be responsible for better glucose utilization3,4 (repleting lost glycogen stores after exercise) and stimulating increased growth hormone release5. But most notably estrogen is responsible for an upgrading of the androgen receptor6 allowing hormones that act on the androgen receptor to exert a larger anabolic effect. This is why hormones that are strong androgens but also aromatize heavily, like anadrol and testosterone, can put the most mass on your frame. In that aspect boldenone is perhaps the most suitable steroid because of its moderate estrogen levels that allow for the benefits, but not the side-effects of aromatization. And no doubt the perfect balance is partially responsible for stimulation of the appetite.
For athletes of sports other than strength sports or bodybuilding will also note that boldenone is quite likely the most favorable steroid for them to use as it also stimulates the release of erythropoeitin in the kidneys. Erythropoeitin is a hormone known as EPO and heavily abused among endurance athletes because it signals the body to increase the production of red blood cells (erythrocytes). Red blood cells are the carrier of oxygen in the body, meaning that a higher maximal oxygen capacity can be obtained and better performance can be achieved over longer amounts of time before lactic acid is built up, which would in turn result in cramps and a cessation of the activity at that level. In short it improves your stamina. For bodybuilders this characteristic may be useful in promoting increased vascularity.
In that aspect boldenone combined with a non-aromatizing steroid like Winstrol or Primobolan may be perfect to help you get cut and ripped while improving vascularity. The downside to that is that you really need to try hard to suppress the increased appetite. Which is why its probably a better idea to stack a somewhat larger dose of boldenone with a mass building drug like testosterone or anadrol to elicit major gains.
The negative effects of boldenone are quite limited. In the normal doses of 300-400 mg a week estrogenic side-effects are almost never noted except in those who are very succeptible to estrogen. In terms of androgenic side-effects long-term use or very intense use of boldenone can cause slight virilizing effects such as acne and increased body-hair growth. Never really a problem for men, but women considering its use on account of its moderate androgenic qualities should be aware of this.
Stacking and Use:
As an undecylenate ester, boldenone needs only be injected every week (staying active well over 4 weeks), but because the preparations come in 25 mg/ml, users most often opt for 25-50 mg every day to every other day. A use of 300-400 mg per week seems to be the normal recommendation. Its not hepatoxic to any serious degree and can therefore be used for longer cycles. The appearance of underground forms of boldenone in higher concentrations (200 mg/ml) has made it easier to inject only once a week, which is to be preffered over the multiple dosings because it has a more even release and the cumulative effect shows much sooner. Speaking of cumulative effect, the best results with boldenone are seen when a user front-loads. Usually that means he will use a high doses of 600-800 mg/week for 2 weeks and then lower that dose to the normal 300-400 mg/week for the remaining 8-10 weeks.
Boldenone is most often used for cutting. Its stacking partners for this purpose in particular are trenbolone, stanazolol and testosterone propionate. I'm no big fan of testosterone for cutting, although propionate is commonly used with great success by many users. Nonetheless I don't recommend test for cutting for beginners. Stanazolol is particularly useful in improving muscle hardness and strength while boldenone offers increased vascularity without overly aromatizing. The use of 50 mg of stanazolol every day, stacked with 300-400 mg per week of boldenone should serve the purpose of retaining gains and gaining increased definition and vascularity while shedding fat very well. Trenbolone would be a better match for those looking for moderate but very lean gains. Parabolan at 76 mg every other day for example will provide a decent increase in lean mass in combination with boldenone, without having to sacrifice shape or definition. Of course any combination of the above is an option as well. For example 300 mg of equipoise per week stacked with 76 mg of parabolan every other day and 50 mg of Winstrol every day, possibly with some test propionate at 50 mg a day.
But though rarely mentioned, I personally find boldenone the better choice for bulking. Due to its effect on vascularity it is mostly used for cutting, but if you had a drug that increased your appetite like boldenone does, would you really use it to lose weight? It makes more sense to use it in a stack with a testosterone ester like enanthate or cypionate for good gains, instead of nandrolone. Sort of as a base. It aromatizes less than nandrolone and doesn't have that pesky progestagenic effect either, and because it increases appetite it would provide you with the means to an end in terms of gaining weight. 300-400 mg a week of boldenone with 500 mg of sustanon or 500 mg of testosterone enanthate would form an incredible stack. Even for those who prefer deca, adding a small amount of boldenone will go a long way in improving appetite. But boldenone is stronger than Deca, mg for mg, as well as safer and less suppressive.
Boldenone makes a very poor match for nandrolone and methenolone though, since its very similar in action. The beauty of boldenone is that it can be an alternative for nandrolone when bulking due to its leaner results and more potent anabolic action, as well as an alternative for methenolone because while barely aromatizing its stronger than methenolone (Primobolan), gram for gram.
The use of secondary drugs is rarely required. It doesn't aromatize at a great rate so the use of anti-aromatases is rarely implemented and the use of Nolva and clomid, during a cycle, is only necessary when stacked with aromatizing steroids like testosterone. Nolvadex or Clomid may have some use in restoring natural test post-cycle, because of the long-acting ester (11 carbons) and the mild estrogenic component. Normally 4 weeks of treatment is required, starting 1.5 to 2 weeks after the last shot.
OG
For something that is generally injected into cows, horses and dogs boldenone is quite a popular and well-liked drug by most bodybuilders because of its unique make-up. It possesses several characteristics that aren't found in any other substance and its use is so varied its much desired year-round. Boldenone is a decent anabolic coupled with both a mild androgenic and a mild estrogenic effect. Sort of like a weak testosterone. In structure it doesn't differ all that much from testosterone, the main anomaly being a double bond in the one position as well as the 4 position. Its nonetheless quite good at promoting gains, but mostly through a combination of androgenic potential and other media than the androgen and estrogen receptors.
The strange thing about its androgenic component is that it is mostly not mediated by a 5-alpha-reduced form, as is the case for most steroids. While it does indeed form a very potent 5AR form (dihydroboldenone, roughly 7 times as anabolic as testosterone1) its shows a very low affinity for the 5-alpha-reducatase enzyme2. This leads to the conclusion that a large part of the anabolic effect boldenone exerts is formed by the hormone itself binding to the androgen receptor. This could also be the reason its had such a successful run as a veterinary drug, because despite differences in the metabolism of species it has always produced extraordinary results.
Like most anabolic steroids it increases muscle mass over time by increasing nitrogen retention and positively influencing protein synthesis or re-synthesis. An action that is not necessarily supported by an androgenic mediator as was shown with nandrolone. What boldenone has that other steroids don't is that it indirectly supplies the necessary means for that protein synthesis because it drastically increases the appetite. Thereby facilitating the high nutritional intake (especially protein wise) needed to book the best results when using anabolic androgenic steroids. Its more of a benefit than you think as a lot of people have theorized that it is this increase that is responsible for the great results booked when using boldenone. This theory may hold its own as there is indeed not much proof of the kind of anabolic activity with boldenone that would be responsible for the elicited effect.
Its estrogenic activities are slight, but present. This has more of a positive than negative influence. The aromatisation of boldenone is too small to cause real problems and in normal doses (300-400 mg/week) problems such as gynocomastia and too much fat retention are unheard of. However small aromatisation is desirable as estrogen too mediates anabolic activity. It can be responsible for better glucose utilization3,4 (repleting lost glycogen stores after exercise) and stimulating increased growth hormone release5. But most notably estrogen is responsible for an upgrading of the androgen receptor6 allowing hormones that act on the androgen receptor to exert a larger anabolic effect. This is why hormones that are strong androgens but also aromatize heavily, like anadrol and testosterone, can put the most mass on your frame. In that aspect boldenone is perhaps the most suitable steroid because of its moderate estrogen levels that allow for the benefits, but not the side-effects of aromatization. And no doubt the perfect balance is partially responsible for stimulation of the appetite.
For athletes of sports other than strength sports or bodybuilding will also note that boldenone is quite likely the most favorable steroid for them to use as it also stimulates the release of erythropoeitin in the kidneys. Erythropoeitin is a hormone known as EPO and heavily abused among endurance athletes because it signals the body to increase the production of red blood cells (erythrocytes). Red blood cells are the carrier of oxygen in the body, meaning that a higher maximal oxygen capacity can be obtained and better performance can be achieved over longer amounts of time before lactic acid is built up, which would in turn result in cramps and a cessation of the activity at that level. In short it improves your stamina. For bodybuilders this characteristic may be useful in promoting increased vascularity.
In that aspect boldenone combined with a non-aromatizing steroid like Winstrol or Primobolan may be perfect to help you get cut and ripped while improving vascularity. The downside to that is that you really need to try hard to suppress the increased appetite. Which is why its probably a better idea to stack a somewhat larger dose of boldenone with a mass building drug like testosterone or anadrol to elicit major gains.
The negative effects of boldenone are quite limited. In the normal doses of 300-400 mg a week estrogenic side-effects are almost never noted except in those who are very succeptible to estrogen. In terms of androgenic side-effects long-term use or very intense use of boldenone can cause slight virilizing effects such as acne and increased body-hair growth. Never really a problem for men, but women considering its use on account of its moderate androgenic qualities should be aware of this.
Stacking and Use:
As an undecylenate ester, boldenone needs only be injected every week (staying active well over 4 weeks), but because the preparations come in 25 mg/ml, users most often opt for 25-50 mg every day to every other day. A use of 300-400 mg per week seems to be the normal recommendation. Its not hepatoxic to any serious degree and can therefore be used for longer cycles. The appearance of underground forms of boldenone in higher concentrations (200 mg/ml) has made it easier to inject only once a week, which is to be preffered over the multiple dosings because it has a more even release and the cumulative effect shows much sooner. Speaking of cumulative effect, the best results with boldenone are seen when a user front-loads. Usually that means he will use a high doses of 600-800 mg/week for 2 weeks and then lower that dose to the normal 300-400 mg/week for the remaining 8-10 weeks.
Boldenone is most often used for cutting. Its stacking partners for this purpose in particular are trenbolone, stanazolol and testosterone propionate. I'm no big fan of testosterone for cutting, although propionate is commonly used with great success by many users. Nonetheless I don't recommend test for cutting for beginners. Stanazolol is particularly useful in improving muscle hardness and strength while boldenone offers increased vascularity without overly aromatizing. The use of 50 mg of stanazolol every day, stacked with 300-400 mg per week of boldenone should serve the purpose of retaining gains and gaining increased definition and vascularity while shedding fat very well. Trenbolone would be a better match for those looking for moderate but very lean gains. Parabolan at 76 mg every other day for example will provide a decent increase in lean mass in combination with boldenone, without having to sacrifice shape or definition. Of course any combination of the above is an option as well. For example 300 mg of equipoise per week stacked with 76 mg of parabolan every other day and 50 mg of Winstrol every day, possibly with some test propionate at 50 mg a day.
But though rarely mentioned, I personally find boldenone the better choice for bulking. Due to its effect on vascularity it is mostly used for cutting, but if you had a drug that increased your appetite like boldenone does, would you really use it to lose weight? It makes more sense to use it in a stack with a testosterone ester like enanthate or cypionate for good gains, instead of nandrolone. Sort of as a base. It aromatizes less than nandrolone and doesn't have that pesky progestagenic effect either, and because it increases appetite it would provide you with the means to an end in terms of gaining weight. 300-400 mg a week of boldenone with 500 mg of sustanon or 500 mg of testosterone enanthate would form an incredible stack. Even for those who prefer deca, adding a small amount of boldenone will go a long way in improving appetite. But boldenone is stronger than Deca, mg for mg, as well as safer and less suppressive.
Boldenone makes a very poor match for nandrolone and methenolone though, since its very similar in action. The beauty of boldenone is that it can be an alternative for nandrolone when bulking due to its leaner results and more potent anabolic action, as well as an alternative for methenolone because while barely aromatizing its stronger than methenolone (Primobolan), gram for gram.
The use of secondary drugs is rarely required. It doesn't aromatize at a great rate so the use of anti-aromatases is rarely implemented and the use of Nolva and clomid, during a cycle, is only necessary when stacked with aromatizing steroids like testosterone. Nolvadex or Clomid may have some use in restoring natural test post-cycle, because of the long-acting ester (11 carbons) and the mild estrogenic component. Normally 4 weeks of treatment is required, starting 1.5 to 2 weeks after the last shot.
Nutrient-Nut
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21inch_arms said:
21inch_arms.....Are you retarded? Where have you been? Do you know how to read? Did you ever make it past high school?
Believing that Equipoise is "extremely toxic to the liver" has got me thinking that maybe something is wrong with your mind!
NN
fallenangel
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21inch_arms said:
no offence but as a mod you should know better
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