Eq

[ironcheif1984]

So i was doing some research. I was think about doing some EQ for my first cycle instead of Test e or Test c. From what ive been reading EQ is compared to being like test but from what i have read when taking EQ your less likely to get acne and you have less water retention also. I was thinking about 300mgs ew for 14 wks what would you guys say to this. From what i have seen this would be perfect for me i dont want acne and i dont want to hold alot of water either. I can get any of the three above i was just curious of what you bro's thought of this. Any advice would be great.

 

[eddymerckx]

no, the problem is eq will lower your test levels. they need to be taken together and the dose of test needs to be higher than the equipoise (and the eq needs to be higher than 300/week)

1st cycle should always be test as it is the basis of every future cycle.

if you do a cycle of 250/week, your sides should be minimal if not almost a non-issue.

save eq for the future --i love the stuff

 

[ironcheif1984]

Yeah i should of read a little bit further before posting this up. I just read that it will indeed cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone so it would be recommend using injectable testosterone in any cycle containing it as it could cause you to have possible sexual dysfunction and other sides. Thanks eddymerckx once again.

 

[needtogetaas]

So i was doing some research. I was think about doing some Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for my first cycle instead of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. From what ive been reading EQ is compared to being like test but from what i have read when taking EQ your less likely to get acne and you have less water retention also. I was thinking about 300mgs ew for 14 wks what would you guys say to this. From what i have seen this would be perfect for me i dont want acne and i dont want to hold alot of water either. I can get any of the three above i was just curious of what you bro's thought of this. Any advice would be great.

Just tackle test first bro. Its the base of everything in this game. If you can learn to deal with test then just get out the game.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Just tackle test first bro. Its the base of everything in this game. If you can learn to deal with test then just get out the game.

I know test is the base of everything. I just didnt read enough about it before i posted this up and i seen that it is compared to test in reguards to giving you strenght gains and the muscle gain while taking eq is good quality muscle. I read later that its does supress you i should of read a little bit more before posting this up my bad. So my cycle will look like this

Test C @ 200mgs Ew for 10Wks Keeping it nice and simple for cycle #1
PCT will be Nolvadex 20mgs EOD for 4 Wks. Starting after the cycle or starting two weeks after the cycle? what should i do....? Need more input on this.....(nolvadex how long and at what doseage)
Also will be using Sustain Alpha starting 2wks after last shot using for 4 wks at 5 pumps ed.

 

[abolish the weak]

yes, EQ is very similar to test, w/ minimal boat and great results. I see no problem in running low-moderate dosages of EQ by itself HOWEVER I'd go at least 400mg/wk on it. Actually 400mg/wk is a good dosage for a first time EQ user

 

[ironcheif1984]

yes, Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is very similar to test, w/ minimal boat and great results. I see no problem in running low-moderate dosages of EQ by itself HOWEVER I'd go at least 400mg/wk on it. Actually 400mg/wk is a good dosage for a first time EQ user

I knew that there would be a mixed thoughts about this. See i was thinking at a lower does while taking supps to keep you natty levels up i was thinking mabye i would be ok. But i know some on here would say other wise. That is why it is good to have forum like this to help people out and get others thoughts on the subject.

 

[eddymerckx]

yes, Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is very similar to test, w/ minimal boat and great results. I see no problem in running low-moderate dosages of EQ by itself HOWEVER I'd go at least 400mg/wk on it. Actually 400mg/wk is a good dosage for a first time EQ user

I respectfully really disagree. test is the base of any cycle. the impact or feeling of eq (and i am on week 14 as i type) is so subtle, the first time user will be disapointed.

test is tried an true--on humans. the sides are predcitable and generally easy to manage. the gains are signifcant and with the proper p/c/t mostly sustained.

and best of all, if you can get pharm grade test for your first cycle, you will have a solid benchmark of what feels rights--

 

[abolish the weak]

I knew that there would be a mixed thoughts about this. See i was thinking at a lower does while taking supps to keep you natty levels up i was thinking mabye i would be ok. But i know some on here would say other wise. That is why it is good to have forum like this to help people out and get others thoughts on the subject.

Yeah, they say the same shit "gotta have test!! Where's the tes? Test is king, test should be the base of every cycle!! " blah blah blah blah. Nah, I beg to differ, plenty of cycles can be done w/out test, even taking test shuts your natty test levels down if your on enough of it and on long enough. It's the popular opinion, but it'd be nicer to see people who know what cycles can be safely run w/out test, and which ones you should probably include it in. The biggest reason I see to include it in certain situations is to help combat sides from certain drugs. But plenty of people do EQ only cycles, I say go for it

 

[abolish the weak]

I respectfully really disagree. test is the base of any cycle. the impact or feeling of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - (and i am on week 14 as i type) is so subtle, the first time user will be disapointed.

test is tried an true--on humans. the sides are predcitable and generally easy to manage. the gains are signifcant and with the proper p/c/t mostly sustained.

and best of all, if you can get pharm grade test for your first cycle, you will have a solid benchmark of what feels rights--

Not hardly, another common stereotype is EQ needs to be run at least 12 wks, bullshit, you can go 8-10 if your dosage is high enough. Try frontloading the EQ the first 2 wks at 800mg, then backing off to 400mg/wk, you can get away w/ 10 wks on that. The vascularity and pumped look is far superior on EQ than test. Sure he'll know he's on test because he'll want to fuck everything in sight and probably break out, but I dont believe there is anything to "feel" to make the cycle right, if the gains go up they go up, bottom line. Here is the difference right here, on test you may gain 20 lbs and lose 15, on EQ you may gain 10 lbs but keep more of it. I suggest checking out this steroid effectiveness chart. And EQ is tried and true, on horses!!!

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroid Effectiveness Chart.html

 

[ironcheif1984]

So how much do you think that 200-300 mgs ew would shut you down would it shut you down as much as test would at that does range. I know everyone is going to say dont use eq at that low because it will probably do nothing at all in the first place.

 

[eddymerckx]

Not hardly, another common stereotype is Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - needs to be run at least 12 wks, bullshit, you can go 8-10 if your dosage is high enough. Try frontloading the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - the first 2 wks at 800mg, then backing off to 400mg/wk, you can get away w/ 10 wks on that. The vascularity and pumped look is far superior on EQ than test. Sure he'll know he's on test because he'll want to fuck everything in sight and probably break out, but I dont believe there is anything to "feel" to make the cycle right, if the gains go up they go up, bottom line. Here is the difference right here, on test you may gain 20 lbs and lose 15, on EQ you may gain 10 lbs but keep more of it. I suggest checking out this steroid effectiveness chart. And EQ is tried and true, on horses!!!

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroid Effectiveness Chart.html

the gains from 250 week of test will dwarf Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and the side are negligable.

you need not sell me on Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - --if you read my post i am on week 14, and test plus Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is my favorite cycle--but a first time user should stick to s substance that has at least been tested on humans. if you gain 20 and lose 15, your p/c/t/ sucks and you should therefore not be giving advice

 

[ironcheif1984]

Not hardly, another common stereotype is Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - needs to be run at least 12 wks, bullshit, you can go 8-10 if your dosage is high enough. Try frontloading the EQ the first 2 wks at 800mg, then backing off to 400mg/wk, you can get away w/ 10 wks on that. The vascularity and pumped look is far superior on EQ than test. Sure he'll know he's on test because he'll want to fuck everything in sight and probably break out, but I dont believe there is anything to "feel" to make the cycle right, if the gains go up they go up, bottom line. Here is the difference right here, on test you may gain 20 lbs and lose 15, on EQ you may gain 10 lbs but keep more of it. I suggest checking out this steroid effectiveness chart. And EQ is tried and true, on horses!!!

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroid Effectiveness Chart.html

Good shit there is some good info in there for sure bro...

 

[eddymerckx]

Not hardly, another common stereotype is Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - needs to be run at least 12 wks, bullshit, you can go 8-10 if your dosage is high enough. Try frontloading the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - the first 2 wks at 800mg, then backing off to 400mg/wk, you can get away w/ 10 wks on that. The vascularity and pumped look is far superior on EQ than test. Sure he'll know he's on test because he'll want to fuck everything in sight and probably break out, but I dont believe there is anything to "feel" to make the cycle right, if the gains go up they go up, bottom line. Here is the difference right here, on test you may gain 20 lbs and lose 15, on EQ you may gain 10 lbs but keep more of it. I suggest checking out this steroid effectiveness chart. And EQ is tried and true, on horses!!!

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroid Effectiveness Chart.html

a chart--you base your advice on a chart?????

i base mine on actual experience and reading and reading and reading

 

[abolish the weak]

the gains from 250 week of test will dwarf Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and the side are negligable.

you need not sell me on Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - --if you read my post i am on week 14, and test plus Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is my favorite cycle--but a first time user should stick to s substance that has at least been tested on humans. if you gain 20 and lose 15, your p/c/t/ sucks and you should therefore not be giving advice

Not for nothing bro, but are you a competitor? How many cycles have you done? How many different products have you tried?

 

[ironcheif1984]

the gains from 250 week of test will dwarf Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and the side are negligable.

you need not sell me on Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - --if you read my post i am on week 14, and test plus Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is my favorite cycle--but a first time user should stick to s substance that has at least been tested on humans. if you gain 20 and lose 15, your p/c/t/ sucks and you should therefore not be giving advice

eddymerckx What exactly do you mean by the above bolded statement that the test will dwarf the eq im kinda stupid i guess lol. Elaborate a little bit more.

 

[needtogetaas]

yes, Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is very similar to test, w/ minimal boat and great results. I see no problem in running low-moderate dosages of EQ by itself HOWEVER I'd go at least 400mg/wk on it. Actually 400mg/wk is a good dosage for a first time EQ user

eq can cause big problems with depression and anxiety. It was meant for the treatment of horses. It has a very very long half life. For a first cycle something with such a long half life is not the best thing..its aromatization is about 50% less then test But the fact that it has suck a long life still makes it much less attractive for the first time user. I know you mean well and you want to be smart but lets keep it safe bro.

Its a good add to a cycle for maybe a 2nd cycle but its not a good first cycle and its not good on its own.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Test should be the basis of every 1st cycle.

Dont run EQ anytime soon. And yes it should be run a min of 12 weeks. No matter how much u "front load", "back load", "side load", (lol) etc. it doesnt change how EQ works and builds muscle.

You are comparing potential gains to horses???

 

[needtogetaas]

Not hardly, another common stereotype is Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - needs to be run at least 12 wks, bullshit, you can go 8-10 if your dosage is high enough. Try frontloading the EQ the first 2 wks at 800mg, then backing off to 400mg/wk, you can get away w/ 10 wks on that. The vascularity and pumped look is far superior on EQ than test. Sure he'll know he's on test because he'll want to fuck everything in sight and probably break out, but I dont believe there is anything to "feel" to make the cycle right, if the gains go up they go up, bottom line. Here is the difference right here, on test you may gain 20 lbs and lose 15, on EQ you may gain 10 lbs but keep more of it. I suggest checking out this steroid effectiveness chart. And EQ is tried and true, on horses!!!

http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroid Effectiveness Chart.html

Please explain to all of us the effectiveness of front loading eq. Its effects on shbg and why front loading it works so well.

I stand behind you when you say they are many cycles that can be don with out test. No test dos not need to be the base but it is good. How ever telling some one to use eq as a first cycle is not a good thing bro. Water retention with this drug is higher then that of deca,its estro effects of 2x or more then primo and its half life is way more then any other. Its effects on depression and anxiety have been noted by many many people and I am perplexed as to why it has not made it to the aas profiles but its still a fact.

ITS NOT A GOOD FIRST COMPOUND PLEASE GIVE IT UP.

 

[juggy54]

needto your a good bro

 

[BOWTECH]

Just tackle test first bro. Its the base of everything in this game. If you can learn to deal with test then just get out the game.

Agree 100% with Needto. Stick with what has been proven to work for thousands of people. Test only for your first cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

needto your a good bro

I do my best as always bro. I am not here to fight but help. If some one can bring some good facts to the table I always try to learn from them.

 

[abolish the weak]

Please explain to all of us the effectiveness of front loading Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . Its effects on sex hormone binding globulin and why front loading it works so well.

I stand behind you when you say they are many cycles that can be don with out test. No test dos not need to be the base but it is good. How ever telling some one to use Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - as a first cycle is not a good thing bro. Water retention with this drug is higher then that of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ,its estro effects of 2x or more then Primobolan - methenolone - and its half life is way more then any other. Its effects on depression and anxiety have been noted by many many people and I am perplexed as to why it has not made it to the anabolic androgenic steroids profiles but its still a fact.

ITS NOT A GOOD FIRST COMPOUND PLEASE GIVE IT UP.

Front loading it at higher dosages the first couple wks works well because it kicks in harder and because it is a long ester there will be more of it present in your system if you choose to discontinue it's use at 10 or 11 wks. I've ran EQ several times before at only 10 wks and have achieved excellent results but IMO dosages need to be at least 6-800mg/wk throughout or at least 800mg/wk the first couple wks. As far as sex hormone binding globulin is concerned, you got me on that one. I always thought deca had worse retention than EQ, hence why more people run EQ during show prep than deca. I myself have never experienced the effects of EQ on depression, but then again I'm not gyno prone either. Listen, I'm not disputing the fact that a test only cycle is best for a first time user, but if this guy has a bottle of EQ sitting at home, right now, with no extra money, and no means to get test, THIS IS A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO RUN THE COMPOUND. 800mg/wk first 2 wks, then back it down to 400mg/wk wks 3-10, followed by proper PCT. And if he does not have enough EQ to do so then he needs to hold off and get another bottle, or best case scenario get a couple bottles of test and run a test only cycle first. Yes, I'll agree with you there

 

[needtogetaas]

Front loading it at higher dosages the first couple wks works well because it kicks in harder and because it is a long ester there will be more of it present in your system if you choose to discontinue it's use at 10 or 11 wks. I've ran Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - several times before at only 10 wks and have achieved excellent results but IMO dosages need to be at least 6-800mg/wk throughout or at least 800mg/wk the first couple wks. As far as sex hormone binding globulin is concerned, you got me on that one. I always thought Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - had worse retention than EQ, hence why more people run EQ during show prep than Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . I myself have never experienced the effects of EQ on depression, but then again I'm not gynecomastia prone either. Listen, I'm not disputing the fact that a test only cycle is best for a first time user, but if this guy has a bottle of EQ sitting at home, right now, with no extra money, and no means to get test, THIS IS A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE WAY TO RUN THE COMPOUND. 800mg/wk first 2 wks, then back it down to 400mg/wk wks 3-10, followed by proper PCT - post cycle therapy - . And if he does not have enough EQ to do so then he needs to hold off and get another bottle, or best case scenario get a couple bottles of test and run a test only cycle first. Yes, I'll agree with you there

I Think with the facts put forth he should get some test for his first cycle. O some other compound with a shorter half life. Thats my thoughs.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I dont have a bottle of eq sitting around. I just threw out a thought is all. I am trying to get some more info then that of what i already have knowledge is power. If the retention of eq is so high then why will alot of guys use it in a cutting cycle? I knwo they use it in bulking as well as it makes your appetite raise like a mofo and u want to eat everything in sight.

 

[abolish the weak]

I dont have a bottle of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - sitting around. I just threw out a thought is all. I am trying to get some more info then that of what i already have knowledge is power. If the retention of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is so high then why will alot of guys use it in a cutting cycle? I knwo they use it in bulking as well as it makes your appetite raise like a mofo and u want to eat everything in sight.

Dont get me wrong bro, it will cause a little retention, but it's all dosage relevant. But these guys using it precontest are still dropping the compound 4-5 wks out from the show because it does hold SOME water, but almost any anabolic holds water. your muscles are 70% water in the first place.

 

[ironcheif1984]

I know most of you body is made up of water. does eq shed bf% just curious i might as well try and find out as much as i can about this aas.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

I know most of you body is made up of water. does Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - shed bf% just curious i might as well try and find out as much as i can about this anabolic androgenic steroids.

look do the test and eq together and your first cycle is always the best!!! doir right the first time and gain all you can! along with a good pct you will be fine. i would do 500/ew of test and 600/ew of eq. very good first cycle!! better then some i have seen on here for the first. good luck on your first!!!!cycle and listen to some of the bros here!!!!!very sound advice.

 

[needtogetaas]

look do the test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - together and your first cycle is always the best!!! doir right the first time and gain all you can! along with a good PCT - post cycle therapy - you will be fine. i would do 500/ew of test and 600/ew of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . very good first cycle!! better then some i have seen on here for the first. good luck on your first!!!!cycle and listen to some of the bros here!!!!!very sound advice.

And thats it.

 

[blacksabbath1987]

And thats it.

allright throw in some anavar!!lol because you are going to want eat!! injectable b-12 would be great to throw in also!!

 

[ironcheif1984]

look do the test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - together and your first cycle is always the best!!! doir right the first time and gain all you can! along with a good PCT - post cycle therapy - you will be fine. i would do 500/ew of test and 600/ew of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . very good first cycle!! better then some i have seen on here for the first. good luck on your first!!!!cycle and listen to some of the bros here!!!!!very sound advice.

Good advice from a lot of people on here. I am listening to the bros on here for sure i know you guys have a lot more experience then i do at this.

 

[eddymerckx]

look do the test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - together and your first cycle is always the best!!! doir right the first time and gain all you can! along with a good PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - you will be fine. i would do 500/ew of test and 600/ew of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - . very good first cycle!! better then some i have seen on here for the first. good luck on your first!!!!cycle and listen to some of the bros here!!!!!very sound advice.

i don't disagree--hard to b/c i am on my third (not 3rd cycle) of almost that exact cycle (sustenon at 250 e/o/d/ + about 600 week of eq)) week 14 of 16, but not for a first cycle and it is my favorite--and prob the only one i will continue to do.

b/c

1. my concern it that this cycle should be much longer than a first cycle and if he is prone to gynecomastia, those dose will bring it out. In the my doses, i get a tingle every so often (but more related to h/c/g).

2. at that dose he should consider h/c/g --not that it is a problem, but it's just another thing to factor.

3. if there is a problem, we will not know if it is the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - or the test.

4. if all goes well, a 250 10 weeker w/no side would mean he could come back much sooner with a second cycle (test and equip and little Anavar - oxandrolone - at the end, just in time for summer ....

so, that is why i think a plain old 10 weeker of 250 test is best--if its testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate, do a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - kickstart for 4 weeks--if the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is a problems its gone in a day. if he does sustenon, then just do 125 monday/thursday (if amps); if he gets somthing like the 325 that is out there right now, do 325 a week mon/thurs.

 

[ironcheif1984]

i don't disagree--hard to b/c i am on my third (not 3rd cycle) of almost that exact cycle (sustenon at 250 e/o/d/ + about 600 week of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - )) week 14 of 16, but not for a first cycle and it is my favorite--and prob the only one i will continue to do.

b/c

1. my concern it that this cycle should be much longer than a first cycle and if he is prone to gynecomastia, those dose will bring it out. In the my doses, i get a tingle every so often (but more related to h/c/g).

2. at that dose he should consider h/c/g --not that it is a problem, but it's just another thing to factor.

3. if there is a problem, we will not know if it is the Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - or the test.

4. if all goes well, a 250 10 weeker w/no side would mean he could come back much sooner with a second cycle (test and equip and little Anavar - oxandrolone - at the end, just in time for summer ....

so, that is why i think a plain old 10 weeker of 250 test is best--if its testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate, do a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - kickstart for 4 weeks--if the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is a problems its gone in a day. if he does sustenon, then just do 125 monday/thursday (if amps); if he gets somthing like the 325 that is out there right now, do 325 a week mon/thurs.

Sounds good to me i will keep it simple. I will do the test c @ 200mgs ew for 10wks
pct will be nolvadex 20mgs eod for 4 wks sound good.
along with derm sustain alpha. 2wks after my last shot for 4 wks how does that sound. I dont know about the dbol in my first cycle i dont want to blow up that fast i dont need all the attention i am in the military and i am trying to keep people from asking me questions as much as possible and that is why i was going to go with the lower dose. Thanks for all reply's.

 

[eddymerckx]

Not for nothing bro, but are you a competitor? How many cycles have you done? How many different products have you tried?

don't compete--41 yo do it more for self esteem--my passion is cycling (hence why i like equipose). tried almost everything except trenbolone (asthma) and mast (not lean enough to justify the cost). 12 cycles total over the years. 5 in the last two years.

now,
1. how can you claim you can run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for a short time--please provide a cite for that claim.

2. and as to how test stacks up against Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , i would like to see your cite to the claim that test gains will not dwarf those of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , gram for gram.

3. why do you lose 75% of your gains after a cycle?

4. you must provide citation (any legit fear book or pub med article) for claims besides an effectiveness chart.

5. you ask about my creds??? i notice you have a high school diploma and run a lawn mowing business--good for you. You also claim to have run 25 cycles and you are 27 years old--again, quite impressive--you must practice solid rest vs on periods

As far as me, I have a BS in Biology, and i minor in history, cum laude, from a top 25 school; a joint MBA/MS in Finance and Accounting, a Juris Doctor in Law, and a LL.M (Master of Laws) in Taxation. For my undergraduate degree, courses included organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, biochemistry, advanced biochemistry, biophysiology, bio of mammals, cell bio, genetics and advanced genetics (which actually was not that advanced at the time).

 

[ironcheif1984]

don't compete--41 yo do it more for self esteem--my passion is cycling (hence why i like equipose). tried almost everything except trenbolone (asthma) and mast (not lean enough to justify the cost). 12 cycles total over the years. 5 in the last two years.

now,
1. how can you claim you can run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for a short time--please provide a cite for that claim.

2. and as to how test stacks up against Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , i would like to see your cite to the claim that test gains will not dwarf those of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , gram for gram.

3. why do you lose 75% of your gains after a cycle?

4. you must provide citation (any legit fear book or pub med article) for claims besides an effectiveness chart.

5. you ask about my creds??? i notice you have a high school diploma and run a lawn mowing business--good for you. You also claim to have run 25 cycles and you 27 years old--again, quite a feat.

As far as me, I have a BS in Biology, and i minor in history, cum laude, from a top 25 school; a joint MBA/MS in Finance and Accounting, a Juris Doctor in Law, and a LL.M (Master of Laws) in Taxation. For my undergraduate degree, courses included organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, biochemistry, advanced biochemistry, biophysiology, bio of mammals, cell bio, genetics and advanced genetics (which actually was not that advanced at the time).

Wow pretty fucking impressive bro for sure. I wish i would have gone to school. I know its not to late. I will get some school in sometime.

 

[eddymerckx]

Wow pretty fucking impressive bro for sure. I wish i would have gone to school. I know its not to late. I will get some school in sometime.

naw, i was just answering the dude that called me out about my creds--school is good for some, not for others. one of my buds is the smartest person i have ever met and he dropped out of high school and has $20 million a year business--while i have a monster load of debt and a bunch of letters after my name----who is the smart on in this picture

we might as well throw it out there--if someone was is in the military--i wonder if a test only cycle could hurt his wind/cardio too much and test and equipoise may be a better idea after all--can the bros that are in/were in the military speak to this issue?--i don't know--i sit on my ass all day so it is not an issue for me.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

the gains from 250 week of test will dwarf Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - and the side are negligable.

you need not sell me on Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - --if you read my post i am on week 14, and test plus Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is my favorite cycle--but a first time user should stick to s substance that has at least been tested on humans. if you gain 20 and lose 15, your p/c/t/ sucks and you should therefore not be giving advice

1 to 10 250>500mg test wk
12 to 15 pct .

Word nuff said .

Brad.

 

[boyer]

don't compete--41 yo do it more for self esteem--my passion is cycling (hence why i like equipose). tried almost everything except trenbolone (asthma) and mast (not lean enough to justify the cost). 12 cycles total over the years. 5 in the last two years.

now,
1. how can you claim you can run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for a short time--please provide a cite for that claim.

2. and as to how test stacks up against Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , i would like to see your cite to the claim that test gains will not dwarf those of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , gram for gram.

3. why do you lose 75% of your gains after a cycle?

4. you must provide citation (any legit fear book or pub med article) for claims besides an effectiveness chart.

5. you ask about my creds??? i notice you have a high school diploma and run a lawn mowing business--good for you. You also claim to have run 25 cycles and you are 27 years old--again, quite impressive--you must practice solid rest vs on periods

As far as me, I have a BS in Biology, and i minor in history, cum laude, from a top 25 school; a joint MBA/MS in Finance and Accounting, a Juris Doctor in Law, and a LL.M (Master of Laws) in Taxation. For my undergraduate degree, courses included organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, biochemistry, advanced biochemistry, biophysiology, bio of mammals, cell bio, genetics and advanced genetics (which actually was not that advanced at the time).

I think he just asked you if you competed, no need for the resume. Anyhow most mba types don't add up to dogshit. Give me guys that are poor, smart,hungry and no feelings.

 

[eddymerckx]

I think he just asked you if you competed, no need for the resume. Anyhow most mba types don't add up to dogshit. Give me guys that are poor, smart,hungry and no feelings.

i am actually a tax lawyer, not really an mba type--

he actually asked "are you a competitor? How many cycles have you done? How many different products have you tried"

sounds like a call-out to me--my creds should suggest both a basic understanding of anat and phys + the ability to read and understand--on a basic level, actual journal articles and research on the subject at issue---not use a chart as justification for his position.

moreover, this bro is 27 yo and claims to have run 25 cycles---thus, i suggest either his credibility or judgment is questionable.---and not just b/c he rec >a gram of gear for a first cycle.

 

[needtogetaas]

I think he just asked you if you competed, no need for the resume. Anyhow most mba types don't add up to dogshit. Give me guys that are poor, smart,hungry and no feelings.

You mean guys like me????

 

[boyer]

You mean guys like me????

Your trying to help people, not knock em back on their feet and slash em across the jugular.lol

 

[boyer]

i am actually a tax lawyer, not really an mba type--

he actually asked "are you a competitor? How many cycles have you done? How many different products have you tried"

sounds like a call-out to me--my creds should suggest both a basic understanding of anat and phys + the ability to read and understand--on a basic level, actual journal articles and research on the subject at issue---not use a chart as justification for his position.

moreover, this bro is 27 yo and claims to have run 25 cycles---thus, i suggest either his credibility or judgment is questionable.---and not just b/c he rec >a gram of gear for a first cycle.

Well do we need receits for all of these damn writeoffs?!? lol

 

[eddymerckx]

Well do we need receits for all of these damn writeoffs?!? lol

not always....just don't try and deduct your water ski boat as a business expense.....not that it has not been tried

 

[Cal_21]

don't compete--41 yo do it more for self esteem--my passion is cycling (hence why i like equipose). tried almost everything except trenbolone (asthma) and mast (not lean enough to justify the cost). 12 cycles total over the years. 5 in the last two years.

now,
1. how can you claim you can run Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - for a short time--please provide a cite for that claim.

2. and as to how test stacks up against Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , i would like to see your cite to the claim that test gains will not dwarf those of Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , gram for gram.

3. why do you lose 75% of your gains after a cycle?

4. you must provide citation (any legit fear book or pub med article) for claims besides an effectiveness chart.

5. you ask about my creds??? i notice you have a high school diploma and run a lawn mowing business--good for you. You also claim to have run 25 cycles and you are 27 years old--again, quite impressive--you must practice solid rest vs on periods

As far as me, I have a BS in Biology, and i minor in history, cum laude, from a top 25 school; a joint MBA/MS in Finance and Accounting, a Juris Doctor in Law, and a LL.M (Master of Laws) in Taxation. For my undergraduate degree, courses included organic chemistry, anatomy and physiology, biochemistry, advanced biochemistry, biophysiology, bio of mammals, cell bio, genetics and advanced genetics (which actually was not that advanced at the time).

bwahahahahahaha!!!!

 

[Cal_21]

eddymerckx = Good Bro.

I'd vote for him to be the next governator. (no joke)

 

[eddymerckx]

eddymerckx = Good Bro.

I'd vote for him to be the next governator. (no joke)

thanks bro--but i heard about the budget problems out there-- so not even if you throw maria in with the deal will i accept

 

[Cal_21]

thanks bro--but i heard about the budget problems out there-- so not even if you throw maria in with the deal will i accept

:rofl:


What about this Maria?

http://dontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/menounos.jpg

jk she's minez (in my dreams/basement).

 

[eddymerckx]

:rofl:


What about this Maria?

http://dontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/menounos.jpg

jk she's minez (in my dreams/basement).

i could think of all sorts of things to do to her--but even in my dreams she would snub me!!

 

[GUARDIAN]

eddy is simply trying to help as most everyone here. he is a stand up guy. the vets here have made mistakes in their aas use or have witnessed them and are just trying to steer people clear of them. he is not going for the jugular and not trying to flame.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Yes eddymerckx is a good bro and he hasnt pointed me in the wrong direction yet. I know he isnt here to cut anyones jugular. everyone will have their different views on a subject. Just because someone has been doing it his/her way for so long and its working for them dont make it necessilary the right way to start off or go about doing things. Thanks everyone who got in on this thread and helped out. I appreciate all the responses

Ironcheif1984

 

[perryscoon]

You going to be giving any free tax help to the bro's on the board eddy?

Mine says I owe $15 and I'm pissed. Hopefully, I did it wrong.

 

[jumpmaster82]

if you decide to use aas regularly for a good part of your life to be healthier then you HAVE TO learn to love test. imo test should be ran in every cycle even at a low dose, youll be amazed at the boost it adds to any cycle. ive ran 2 cycles with no test afew years ago, and i noticed that when test was added my gains skyrocketed, almost tripled.
as far as eq, thats not a good first cycle at all bro. and 300mg a week isnt enough to do shit anyway. eq is a wonderful chemical, one of my favorites ever. i see why your so eager to run it, but take the advice of me and many other experienced guys on this board and just go with test this time. then maybe test and eq on your next cycle.
notice how all the guys that know their shit on this post are saying the same thing?? thats not a coincidence bro, take the advice and you will see that its the best thing to do. good luck bro

also, if your worried about water retention then run test prop cuz it will give you the least water retention of any test.

 

[ironcheif1984]

if you decide to use anabolic androgenic steroids regularly for a good part of your life to be healthier then you HAVE TO learn to love test. imo test should be ran in every cycle even at a low dose, youll be amazed at the boost it adds to any cycle. ive ran 2 cycles with no test afew years ago, and i noticed that when test was added my gains skyrocketed, almost tripled.
as far as Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , thats not a good first cycle at all bro. and 300mg a week isnt enough to do shit anyway. Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - is a wonderful chemical, one of my favorites ever. i see why your so eager to run it, but take the advice of me and many other experienced guys on this board and just go with test this time. then maybe test and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - on your next cycle.
notice how all the guys that know their shit on this post are saying the same thing?? thats not a coincidence bro, take the advice and you will see that its the best thing to do. good luck bro

also, if your worried about water retention then run test testosterone propionate cuz it will give you the least water retention of any test.

thanks for the advice bro i appreciate it. I am going to go with test by the way. Thanks everyone I still cant wait to thy this eq out.