EQ or Fina for first cycle???

[creep]

Originally I decided to go with:

wk 1-10 QV EQ @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-10 Spectro Cytest 200 @ 500mg/wk
wk 1-10 1mg ldex EOD
followed by clomid

Well it seems my QV source is in a bit of a bind and I'm not sure when or if he's shipping my EQ. So I'm back to the drawing board.

I'm 5'7, 172lbs and 11.2% BF. This will be my first AS cycle. My priorities are cutting up and any amount of lean mass I gain I'll be happy with. My diet is check; I just went from close to 13% BF to 11.2% BF and only lost 3 lbs.

I already have my Cytest but what should I add. My options are Equi-bol or homemade Tren. If I go with Tren should I do it for 10 wks? Should I leave the Test @ 500mg/wk?

 

[PURE EXTRACT]

would not recommend fina on your first cycle at all.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

for a first cycle, most people will say get the EQ. Its all up to you though. Tren would be real good if you didnt mind daily injections or eod injections.

How much does your source charge for a 10ml vile of QV EQ?

 

[creep]

would not recommend fina on your first cycle at all.

I've read that before and thats why I originally decided to go with EQ. It's just reading about what fina has done for some of you guys that has anxious to give it a try. Oh and you can't beat the price.

Not that I'm disagreeing but why wouldn't recommend fina for a 1st?

Nutri-Wrestler,

His price is $70 for 10ml of QV but he hasn't came through. The guy I got my Cytest from has Equi-bol for $100 / 10ml.

 

[Kanine]

I know 99.9% of this board will disagree but for a first cycle you could make 10-15 lbs gains of pure muscle on 1 Shot of Sust every 10 days or so..and thats 250mg. I have personally witnessed a 12 lb gain on 25 mg /wk of the old Searle Var. Deca at 200mg per week can do wonders on a first cycle. If you are going to do more cycles down the road..research lower dosages to start...humor me. Why blow your load..or receptors in this case..on your first cycle? If you use 400mg EQ and 500 of test...you are possibly setting yourself up to never again be able to make gains on light cycles...and that is totally unnecessary....break a few amps, have a few sleepless nights, and drop a few pins on the bathroom floor before you start hitting the higher dosages.....what if you only needed 200mg of EQ and 200 of test to make SICK gains??? You may never know.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

how about this:

weeks 1-10: Test enanthate 400mg week
weeks 1-10: EQ 400mg a week

Tren is highly androgenic and wil shut you down hard. i believe most do not recomend this for a first cycle for that reason. my advise is research the drugs and make and educated decision.

 

[creep]

how about this:

weeks 1-10: Test enanthate 400mg week
weeks 1-10: EQ 400mg a week

Tren is highly androgenic and wil shut you down hard. i believe most do not recomend this for a first cycle for that reason. my advise is research the drugs and make and educated decision.

Thats very close to my original plan but because my QV guy hasn't came through I thought about changing it to Tren.

Anyone else think Tren on a first is a bad idea?

 

[biggerdave]

yeah first cycle of tren definatly start on 75 eod. personally i would continue on the EQ route if you can, less jabs, less pain, less side effects than the tren could give. up to you though.

dave.

 

[serge]

Originally I decided to go with:

wk 1-10 QV EQ @ 400mg/wk
wk 1-10 Spectro Cytest 200 @ 500mg/wk
wk 1-10 1mg ldex EOD
followed by clomid

Well it seems my QV source is in a bit of a bind and I'm not sure when or if he's shipping my EQ. So I'm back to the drawing board.

I'm 5'7, 172lbs and 11.2% BF. This will be my first AS cycle. My priorities are cutting up and any amount of lean mass I gain I'll be happy with. My diet is check; I just went from close to 13% BF to 11.2% BF and only lost 3 lbs.

I already have my Cytest but what should I add. My options are Equi-bol or homemade Tren. If I go with Tren should I do it for 10 wks? Should I leave the Test @ 500mg/wk?

run test/eq, you should be able to reach your goals no prop

 

[creep]

would this be pushing it for a 1st?

Cytest @ 150mg EOD
Fina @ 100mg EOD
ldex 1mg EOD
followed by clomid

 

[brooksy1000]

My first cycle was fina only 75mg ED. I gained 2 stone, mostly muscle. I think fina is fine for a 1st cycle if u research it properly and take precautions such as cranberry extract and plenty of water.

 

[Magnússon]

My first cycle was fina only 75mg ED. I gained 2 stone, mostly muscle. I think fina is fine for a 1st cycle if u research it properly and take precautions such as cranberry extract and plenty of water.

You gained 2 stones, what the hell?

 

[brooksy1000]

Haha, you made me laugh then mate.

2 stones is about 25lbs I think. Im British you see.

 

[HighIntensity]

I see nothing wrong with useing tren first cycle, I did...

Just read up on the drug, and yes you have to shoot ED but it becomes second nature, hell I was spot injecting by month two and it was so easy, I hit everything but my lats


lots of
Cranberry extract
Ala
WATER


and heres something that I did not do, Tren will reck havoc on your imune system so get a good multi V, anti oxident and drink a V8 everyday

So 75mgs of homemade tren for 10 weeks, nothing big and with the Test you will grow nicely., alot more then the EQ

Also keep in mind thats its a total myth not keeping tren gains, in fact it is the oppiste...tren seems to change your body forever...new satelite cells prehaps a change in muscle DNA

one caution though, I believe that Tren may be a cancer causeing or forming drug in long doses over time., buts thats imop

 

[creep]

yes you have to shoot ED but it becomes second nature, hell I was spot injecting by month two and it was so easy, I hit everything but my lats

Is it necessary to shot ED or can I go EOD? When I shot the test/fina is there a better time to do this? I mean, Would the injection be better post or pre-workout? AM or PM?

And It's official I'm going with this cycle starting next Mon. If I decide I need to shot everyday, I'll just modify this cycle accordingly:

Cytest @ 150mg EOD
Fina @ 100mg EOD
ldex 1mg EOD
followed by clomid

 

[HighIntensity]

Is it necessary to shot ED or can I go EOD? When I shot the test/fina is there a better time to do this? I mean, Would the injection be better post or pre-workout? AM or PM?

And It's official I'm going with this cycle starting next Mon. If I decide I need to shot everyday, I'll just modify this cycle accordingly:

Cytest @ 150mg EOD
Fina @ 100mg EOD
ldex 1mg EOD
followed by clomid

honestly I did eod and it was o.k.

but there have been many studies even a chart on EF that shows ED is alot better for mainting blood levels.

I switched to ED at the results were great. Keep mind I was only running tren not test.