eq cycle

[Bruce]

need help from the big dogs

i am currently finishing deca win cycle, will end on April 5th. After my break i plan on doing a eq cycle for 14 weeks. in the past i have always been against heavy stuff like test and dbol, tried sust and got very sick. what could i stack with eq to add some bulk. would doing d bol for 5 weeks be that harmful if i've never done it before. also if i am to get dbol or sust, to stack with the eq, how much should i do. how much hcg will i need also. thank you i am open to suggestions i only have the eq at this point. all you big boys please come up with a cycle for me. currently 6 2 160, around 4-5 bf%. been working out 4 years, i am 24, and have done two deca win cycles starting last summer.

 

[JeSt3r]

Try doing say

wks 1-14 EQ at 400mg / week
wks 1-6 Tbol at 50mg / day

 

[ericahls]

Try doing say

wks 1-14 EQ at 400mg / week
wks 1-6 Tbol at 50mg / day

Yeah that will work.

Your could even add Winny 50mg/day week 10-14

 

[Bruce]

Try doing say

wks 1-14 EQ at 400mg / week
wks 1-6 Tbol at 50mg / day

i have heard of tbol, but it is very hard to find info on, all my websites do not have a profile on it. where can i research it

 

[Bruce]

Yeah that will work.

Your could even add Winny 50mg/day week 10-14

bro what is tbol. will the winny make me gain more weight.

 

[ericahls]

i have heard of tbol, but it is very hard to find info on, all my websites do not have a profile on it. where can i research it

From a site:


Oral Turinabol is an anabolic steroid developed and made famous by scientists in East Germany years ago. This is a more steroid of infamy actually, as it was one of the closely held secrets inside the “East German Doping Machine”. I am referring to a state sponsored doping program, called “State Plan 14.25” that operated in East Germany for a period of time between the 1960`s and 1980`s.

Turanabol is a potent derivative of Dianabol. It is structurally a cross between methandrostenolone and clostebol (4-chlorotestosterone), having same base structure as Dianabol with the added 4-chloro alteration of clostebol. This makes Turanabol a “kindelr gentler Dianabol”, the new steroid displaying a much lower level of androgenic activity in comparison. Its anabolic activity is somewhat lower than that of Dianabol as well, but it does maintain a much favorable balance of anabolic to androgenic effect overall. This means that at any given level of muscle-building activity, Turanabol will be much less likely to produce he classic androgenic sides effects such as oily skin, acne, aggression and male-pattern hair loss (if genetically prone) than would Dianabol.

The 4-chloro attachment used with steroid also inhibits its ability to be aromatizes. Turanabol is therefore not going to present its user with unwanted estrogenic side effects like water retention, increased fat deposition or gynecomastia. While Dianabol tends to produce puffiness and a little fat retention in its users, which hides muscle definition, the exact opposite effect usually happens with Turanabol. Turanabol tends to ptomote gain in lean tissue mass, accompanied by an increased look of density, hardness and definition due to the intensified androgen to estrogen ratio. For bodybuilding purpose this makes Turanabol a great pre-contest or cutting steroid, not really a bulking agent of choice. Athletes in sports where speed tends to be a primary focus would also find favor in Turanabol, obtaining a strong anabolic benefit without having to carry around any extra water or fat weight. Although there is a clear relationship between Turanabol and Dianabol when it comes to molecular structure, ultimately it would be much more appropriate to be comparing the activities of this steroid to those of other mild, non aromatizing anabolics like Stanozolol, Oxandrolone or Priomobolan.

 

[ericahls]

bro what is tbol. will the winny make me gain more weight.

Winny will harden you up and can make you gain more weight but it will be solid, no bloat. Strength will increase as well.

 

[Bruce]

Winny will harden you up and can make you gain more weight but it will be solid, no bloat. Strength will increase as well.

really looking to bulk, what do you recognize.

 

[tzan]

really looking to bulk, what do you recognize.

Not to be a smart ass, but try eating more. At 6' 2" and 160lbs bulking up more naturally shouldn't be a problem. What does your diet look like?? How many cals are you taking in?? Once you adjust your DIET to bulking, just about any AAS will work well.

 

[Bruce]

Not to be a smart ass, but try eating more. At 6' 2" and 160lbs bulking up more naturally shouldn't be a problem. What does your diet look like?? How many cals are you taking in?? Once you adjust your DIET to bulking, just about any AAS will work well.

its all good, check out my picture, that is me at 150. just have a small frame very thin legs, no ass. put it this way, I was at 130 three years ago at 21, and got to 143 naturally, after that i could not put on more weight. classic ectomorph. i eat about 3500-5000 calories, and i drink my weight in whey protein.

 

[tzan]

its all good, check out my picture, that is me at 150. just have a small frame very thin legs, no ass. put it this way, I was at 130 three years ago at 21, and got to 143 naturally, after that i could not put on more weight. classic ectomorph. i eat about 3500-5000 calories, and i drink my weight in whey protein.

If your dead on running a bulker, I would deffiantly sit down and really map out your daily meals and calorie intake. It's amazing how well I cut or bulk when following a written diet. Curious to why you are so set on running eq as the base of your next cycle??

 

[Bruce]

If your dead on running a bulker, I would deffiantly sit down and really map out your daily meals and calorie intake. It's amazing how well I cut or bulk when following a written diet. Curious to why you are so set on running eq as the base of your next cycle??

just not a fan of test, used deca twice, like it. i just heard alot about eq being better than deca, and i heard about the appetite it gives you. that would benefit me. open to your suggestions, though i already have my eq.

 

[tzan]

just not a fan of test, used deca twice, like it. i just heard alot about eq being better than deca, and i heard about the appetite it gives you. that would benefit me. open to your suggestions, though i already have my eq.

I'm not a huge fan of test either, but it also seems like I gain weight a lot easier than you. If you already have the eq and want to run a nice little basic bulker try something like this:

500mg Enanthate wks 1-12
400mg EQ wks 1-12
30mg Dbol wks 1-4

 

[Bruce]

I'm not a huge fan of test either, but it also seems like I gain weight a lot easier than you. If you already have the eq and want to run a nice little basic bulker try something like this:

500mg Enanthate wks 1-12
400mg EQ wks 1-12
30mg Dbol wks 1-4

if i only went with the dbol eq, would it still be a good stack? do i have to worry about my liver if only doing dbol once.

 

[tzan]

if i only went with the dbol eq, would it still be a good stack? do i have to worry about my liver if only doing dbol once.

Like I said I'm not a huge fan of test either, but it seems like you really don't like it. How come?? Although I would recommend to run even just a small dose of test in there (like 250mg every 5 days), you don't NEED it. As far as your liver goes, stack up on some tylers/r-ala/2gallons of water a day and you should be fine. What is your cycle history???

 

[Bruce]

Like I said I'm not a huge fan of test either, but it seems like you really don't like it. How come?? Although I would recommend to run even just a small dose of test in there (like 250mg every 5 days), you don't NEED it. As far as your liver goes, stack up on some tylers/r-ala/2gallons of water a day and you should be fine. What is your cycle history???

two cycles of deca and win, twelve weeks each. i am not that opposed to test, i just don't like pct, its a little much for me. i think you might be right, maybe i should just stick with the safe stuff and eat everything i can. what is the best safe roid to stack with and get size, winny?

 

[SwolK]

bruce, look for a private message again, about this thread

 

[Bruce]

bruce, look for a private message again, about this thread

thanks brother.

 

[instant.muscle]

best advice is eat a lot, runthe eq at 400 mg, add some dianabol and some test

 

[imagine]

i know you said you are eating enough.. but you aren't man. for real, i know for sure if you started chowing down you could put on 10 more lbs in a relatively short time. no one is that limited in their growth. aas may help in the process but food is the end all be all of really growing. and if you are eating a decent amount already, then try spreading it out so you can fit more food in to your meals when you do eat. i can't stress this enough, eat eat eat.

 

[Bruce]

i know you said you are eating enough.. but you aren't man. for real, i know for sure if you started chowing down you could put on 10 more lbs in a relatively short time. no one is that limited in their growth. aas may help in the process but food is the end all be all of really growing. and if you are eating a decent amount already, then try spreading it out so you can fit more food in to your meals when you do eat. i can't stress this enough, eat eat eat.

i am putting on weight there is no doubt, i just am thinking about doing a hard cycle next time, just once to see what the big deal is. what should i be eating most of, pasta and stuff, or meat.

 

[imagine]

i am putting on weight there is no doubt, i just am thinking about doing a hard cycle next time, just once to see what the big deal is. what should i be eating most of, pasta and stuff, or meat.

anything you can at this point.. just stay away from soda pop and lots of sweets. i mean a candy bar every now and then doesn't matter.. you know what i mean. just eat lots of hearty food and drink lots of water. the best advice i can give is bringing food with you when it would normally be hard to fit in a meal. say your in a class or at work or doing something.. when you reach that point where you start to feel hungry is when you know you aren't eating enough. if you are trying to bulk up you NEVER want to feel like your stomach is growling.. that's your high metabolism just burning off shit. pasta's and meats are good.. and the classic on the go meal is just a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for me or some kind of really easy to make sandwich. don't eat until you feel sick or anything, but you know your limits.. just start chowing down and that combined with your cycle and you WILL put on weight, period. well mang, good luck

 

[TheRide]

Var could be an options - maybe run it @ 40mg/day for the last 6 weeks of your EQ run.

 

[SwolK]

Bruce,
#1) get your diet in shape for a bulking diet-go to the nutritional board and tell them everything- stats and you need help with making a bulking diet. THIS is ESSENTIAL

#2)definitely stick around and read some of the threads posted by newbies. My guess is that you did those Deca and Winny cycles from advice from a friend, Right? Here, it is common knowledge to Never use Deca w/out test. Deca is known for shutting your balls down real bad, especially w/out test. Please tell me that you did PCT after Deca? if not, need to do it now. Clomid, Nolv and maybe HCG becuase you are difinitely shut down b/c deca and no test. which can lead to permante problems if not corrected now. The comment about "not wanting to do PCT for test, so thats why you did Deca" someone steered you in the complete wrong direction. Deca you REALLY PCT for deca and ALL AS

#3) research. I know thats what you are doing, so keep doing it. If you want to put on good quality gains. First get your recovery from the Deca straitend out(b/c you gotta be shut down) Then after that seperate issue, which i will help you with. You need a good, safe bulker. So get diet strait, as mentioned earlier. Then look into your options. You Need test,(yes it is possible to put small amounts of muscle on with Winny or prolonged use of EQ, but then you did not get much gains and spent alot of money and have to do PCT to recover).
Option 1:
Test Ethanate 500mg Weeks 1-10(for main source or muscle growth, safe dose) Equipose (EQ) 400mg Weeks 1-11 or deca, but you have already used it, so try this similiar but differnt option)
(Maybe)Winstrol 50mg ed or eod weeks 6-10 (to harden up)
Then Post cycle therpy MUST ask about that later and Anti Estrogens on hand in case of gyno.

I know you dont want to do test, but with the deca you did probably did 10 times more damage to you testicles thatn test will do. This is a classic effective bulker. few things you can add or take out 1. winstrol not necessary, just hardens you up and helps get rid of water-adds a little muscle 2.maybe add dbol 30mg for a few weeks at the start, to help kickstart cycle. 3. Or my favorite, dont need this and dbol) front load for first week to get test and eq in blood stream faster. such as for just one week 1000mg or test and 800mg of EQ. dont worry you wont have that much active in your blood stream because of the esters that dictate when to release into bloodstream. So, in closing, usually need test. even if by itself it will work for a cycle. the eq is just a nice touch for vascularity and added muscle. then if you want one or none of the 3 other options to add(none are necessary), but PCT and Anti E's on had are. let me know what you think