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Q8TY said:
Stick around and read more info before juicing bro. Steroids have long acting esters that take longer to release. So a short acting ester is released in a short period of time. Ester free means there is no ester.
you can but site results will be minimum except if you do this for an extended period of time due to fascial stretching, which i feel wouldn't be practical anway. drugs that have esters attached to them aren't the best drugs for site growth. drugs such as test suspension, winny, and fina would be better choices. do more research bro.
Q8TY said:and how can i know if the juice that i use have short acting ester or long esters action
by what its called bro. for example. test propionate has the propionate ester to it. sustanon has four different esters attached to it. deca has the decoanate ester attached. like Golfer said. stick around and learn more bro. shit im still learning shit almost every day.
Q8TY said:and how can i know if the juice that i use have short acting ester or long esters action
Easy, If a compound has to be injected frequently it has an ester with a short half life such as propinate and acetate. If it has an ester with a long half life it will be less frequent injections such as enathate, deconate, cyiponate, undeclenate, undecanoate, laurate. Also the most popular form of unesterfied gear is testosterone suspension and winstrol. Also drugs with no esters must be injected ed. By the way your Equipoise(boldenone undecylenate) has an ester with a long half life that is called undeclenate.
jstrong20 said:
yup. jstrong is right. again bro. do more research. defianately a newbie. good luck in your quest to find the holy juice. hehe dont mind me its early and i barely slept.
p.s. i even told u already that deca has an ester attached to it. don't worry bro. send me your address and i'll get you Hooked on Phonics. it works great for retards.
Bro, in case you are wondering, the ester itself is a carbon chain that is attached to the steroid molecule. When the ester (carbon chain) is cleaved off by enzymes in your body the steroid then becomes active. Steroids with longer esters take a longer time before becoming active.
jstrong20 said:
thanks for you help
i understand from you only 70%
is that mean EQ is bad choice for bic ??
Roid that i can use it in my cycle
30 ml EQ
10 ampl primbolan Dept
30 ampl winstrol "NEW"
what the best choise for bic and tri ?
and how about Omandren i have 2 amp can i use it into bic ?
bigpun said:
First Thanks for ur help
i know about this point "Mike P.T. " tell me that befor
but what i dont underdstand is how can we know if the juice we use contain ester or free ester
i know that "jstrong20" is write how can we know if juice contain ester or Free ester but just understand him 70%
can any one explain how can we know if the juice we are using contain ester or not
Thanks Guy
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i dont know why i can`t understand ester ?
ihave some suggest Guy
how about to make table of juice that contain ester and juice that free ester
Short acting Ester "free ester"
1- Winstol --- > ."best Choice"
2- Testosterone propinate
3- Testosterone enathate
4- Testosterone deconate
5- Testosterone cyiponate
6- Testosterone undeclenate
7- testosterone suspension ."best Choice"
8-
long acting esters
1- DECA
2- fina
3- EQ
4- sustanon
5-
6-
7-
8-
Can any one help me to add more in long acting esters and Short acting Ester
if there any wrong please tell me about it
Thanks guy , you learn me new powerful Secret
dieslgrl said:q8ty- honey honey honey... I think you need the hooked on phonics before you continue any longer in your quest for the ester-free equipoise
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i dont know why i can`t understand ester ?
ihave some suggest Guy
how about to make table of juice that contain ester and juice that free ester
Short acting Ester "free ester"
1- Winstol --- > ."best Choice"
2- Testosterone propinate
3- Testosterone enathate
4- Testosterone deconate
5- Testosterone cyiponate
6- Testosterone undeclenate
7- testosterone suspension ."best Choice"
8-
long acting esters
1- DECA
2- fina
3- EQ
4- sustanon
5-
6-
7-
8-
Can any one help me to add more in long acting esters and Short acting Ester
if there any wrong please tell me about it
Thanks guy , you learn me new powerful Secret
Instead of trying to explain I'll just tell you. The best 2 steroids for sight growth are testostreone suspension and winstrol. Because they both don't have any ester. And the only steroids I can think of that don't have any ester is suspension, winstrol, injectable dbol, and injecatble anadrol. So unless it is one of the steroids I've listed above It probably has an ester. ALso like I said if it has to be injected everyday you know it doesn't have any ester.
Alexis said:Que tal Mike, como estamos?
Yo aqui practicando un poco mi Ingles y aprendiendo cada vez mas en este foro... ( got it? )
muy bien. yo practico un poco en espanol como escribe. los siento. im better at writing in english.
tu comprede?? soy filipino y espanol. y tu?Steroid Esters
(edited, for Temple - but common info)
It seems you ladies know very little about steroid esters. Some many even believe it is the ester that determines the anabolic potential for any steroid. But in reality, there is absolutely no difference, in anabolic strength, from one ester to the other.
Testosterone suspension is the same as Testosterone cypionate once the cypionate ester has been cleaved off by esterases in your body. Testosterone is testosterone no matter how you look at it!!!
Now, I will admit that there is a large difference in how esters affect the release of the steroid. The key is time release (read half-life). Esters essentially delay the release of a steroid. And is VITAL to any cycle for a women to control sides. One note: there is going to be slightly less testosterone with certain testosterones because of the weight of the ester, but I’ll explain that later.
The difference between say a faster acting test propionate and slower acting cypionate would be availablity and the rate that each would be metabolized. Prop would go from 50mg to 25mg in 4.5 days, whereas 12.5 days would pass before half of the testosterone in the cypionate would be released.
Is that it? That's all what esters do? Of course not! In fact the real purpose for esters is to change the properties of the parent drug. As shown above the half-life, can be altered through the use of an ester.
Let's go through some of the details about esters. Steroid molecules are carbon based, as with any earthly organic molecule. The base of the molecule is formed with a chain of carbon molecules. At the 17th position, i.e. the 17th carbon atom, there is a hydroxyl group (OH) that is bonded there. This is where the fun comes in, when this base steroid is hydrolyzed (removing the OH group) an ester can be added here. With the addition of the ester the solubility in oil can be changed, the half-life can be changed, etc.
To add to this, the more carbon atoms the ester has the more solubility in oil increases and the half life increases. Therefore, esters such as acetic acid (two carbons) and propionic acid (three carbons) aren't as soluble and have a quick half live. On the other hand, esters such as decanoic acid (ten carbons) and undecanoic acid (eleven carbons) are very soluble in oil and have longer half lives.
With this in mind, please recall that you should consider the timing of injections and the purpose for the steroid. If you want to determine the half-life of a steroid ester use the following guide:
Ester = Number of Carbon Atoms
Formate = 1
Acetate = 2
Propionate = 3
Butyrate = 4
Valerate = 5
Hexanoate = 6
Heptanoate = 7
Enanthate = 7
Octanoate = 8
Cypionate = 8
Nonanoate = 9
Decanoate = 10
Undecanoate = 11
Approximately each carbon atoms is equal to a half-life of 1.5 days. Therefore a decanoate steroid ester would have a half-life of 15 days (11 carbon atoms * 1.5 days constant). In case you're wondering what the half-life is, it's the amount of time before half of the original substance is used. For instance 15 days after an injection of 100mg of deca, 50mg would be left.
Now, you have to remember that the ester is going to add more weight to the molecule. The larger the ester the less base steroid there is going to be in a 100mg steroid ester. You can use the following chart to figure this out:
Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Acetate = C2 H2 O = 42.1mg = 87.26mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Enanthate = C7 H12 O = 112.2mg = 71.99mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg
Decanoate = C10 H18 O = 154.3mg = 65.15mg
There you have it ladies!!! And you can see why I sort of like cypionate and or enanthate. They have a very convient half-life, and the amout of actual testosterone is on the lower side (safer) so it is really a nice balance.
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(edited, for Temple - but common info)
It seems you ladies know very little about steroid esters. Some many even believe it is the ester that determines the anabolic potential for any steroid. But in reality, there is absolutely no difference, in anabolic strength, from one ester to the other.
Testosterone suspension is the same as Testosterone cypionate once the cypionate ester has been cleaved off by esterases in your body. Testosterone is testosterone no matter how you look at it!!!
Now, I will admit that there is a large difference in how esters affect the release of the steroid. The key is time release (read half-life). Esters essentially delay the release of a steroid. And is VITAL to any cycle for a women to control sides. One note: there is going to be slightly less testosterone with certain testosterones because of the weight of the ester, but I’ll explain that later.
The difference between say a faster acting test propionate and slower acting cypionate would be availablity and the rate that each would be metabolized. Prop would go from 50mg to 25mg in 4.5 days, whereas 12.5 days would pass before half of the testosterone in the cypionate would be released.
Is that it? That's all what esters do? Of course not! In fact the real purpose for esters is to change the properties of the parent drug. As shown above the half-life, can be altered through the use of an ester.
Let's go through some of the details about esters. Steroid molecules are carbon based, as with any earthly organic molecule. The base of the molecule is formed with a chain of carbon molecules. At the 17th position, i.e. the 17th carbon atom, there is a hydroxyl group (OH) that is bonded there. This is where the fun comes in, when this base steroid is hydrolyzed (removing the OH group) an ester can be added here. With the addition of the ester the solubility in oil can be changed, the half-life can be changed, etc.
To add to this, the more carbon atoms the ester has the more solubility in oil increases and the half life increases. Therefore, esters such as acetic acid (two carbons) and propionic acid (three carbons) aren't as soluble and have a quick half live. On the other hand, esters such as decanoic acid (ten carbons) and undecanoic acid (eleven carbons) are very soluble in oil and have longer half lives.
With this in mind, please recall that you should consider the timing of injections and the purpose for the steroid. If you want to determine the half-life of a steroid ester use the following guide:
Ester = Number of Carbon Atoms
Formate = 1
Acetate = 2
Propionate = 3
Butyrate = 4
Valerate = 5
Hexanoate = 6
Heptanoate = 7
Enanthate = 7
Octanoate = 8
Cypionate = 8
Nonanoate = 9
Decanoate = 10
Undecanoate = 11
Approximately each carbon atoms is equal to a half-life of 1.5 days. Therefore a decanoate steroid ester would have a half-life of 15 days (11 carbon atoms * 1.5 days constant). In case you're wondering what the half-life is, it's the amount of time before half of the original substance is used. For instance 15 days after an injection of 100mg of deca, 50mg would be left.
Now, you have to remember that the ester is going to add more weight to the molecule. The larger the ester the less base steroid there is going to be in a 100mg steroid ester. You can use the following chart to figure this out:
Chemical = Formula = Molecular Weight = Mg of Testosterone
Testosterone (no ester) = C19 H28 O2 = 288.4mg = 100mg
Acetate = C2 H2 O = 42.1mg = 87.26mg
Propionate = C3 H4 O = 56.1mg = 83.72mg
Enanthate = C7 H12 O = 112.2mg = 71.99mg
Cypionate = C8 H4 O = 124.2mg = 69.90mg
Decanoate = C10 H18 O = 154.3mg = 65.15mg
There you have it ladies!!! And you can see why I sort of like cypionate and or enanthate. They have a very convient half-life, and the amout of actual testosterone is on the lower side (safer) so it is really a nice balance.
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Q8TY
Thats it!
Finally You got it!
Good Luck
Mike P.T.
Bueno pues mi ingles no es muy bueno escrito, es mejor hablado tambien, soy Belga y Mexicano, asi podremos practicar un poco...
(Well, my written english is not as good as I´d like it to be, I think I speak it quite better than I write it, so Ill be practicing over here, Im Belgium- Mexican.)
Good luck c ya.
Q8TY
Thats it!
Finally You got it!
Good Luck
Mike P.T.
Bueno pues mi ingles no es muy bueno escrito, es mejor hablado tambien, soy Belga y Mexicano, asi podremos practicar un poco...
(Well, my written english is not as good as I´d like it to be, I think I speak it quite better than I write it, so Ill be practicing over here, Im Belgium- Mexican.)
Good luck c ya.
