*Ending a cycle with trenbolone??*

[trenbolone]

I designed my cycle and I'm now on week 3.

wk1-2 frontload test 1000mg/wk
wk1-2 frontload eq 1200mg/wk
wk3-12 test 500mg/wk
wk3-12 eq 600mg/wk

Everything should be ok till now, but here's the tricky part, I made a fina+winny microcycle, that I placed in the end of the test+eq cycle;

wk 8-13 Fina 150mg/EOD
wk 8-13 Winstrol tabs 50mg/ED

(wk14+ Clomid, hcg etc...)

Does ending a cycle with fina and winny sound stupid? My goal in doing this is to first eat like a horse for the first 8 weeks and get some quality gains from test and EQ and then after week 9, when fina starts to kick in I'll get some nice strength gains, add some lean mass and maybe lose some fat due to fina+winny. This was my original plan, but I remember hearing that a cycle should preferrably end with mild androgens/anabolics than with heavy androgens like fina???

So tell me, should I stick out to the original plan; which is to take winny and fina at the end of the cycle, or should I take them in the middle?

-John

 

[PARABOLAN]

i would take the fina everyday..

 

[trenbolone]

Yeah, I know ED would be a little better, but I'm trying to minimize scar tissue and everyday injections would be a bit of a hassle... I think 150mg EOD will give "some" gains

But anyway, I'd like to know whether to take the fina at the end like planned or take it in the middle of the cycle so that I don't stop the cycle with a heavy androgen like fina.

So, I'll BUMP!

PS. How about taking the fina/winny at weeks 4-9 and then running Anavar with test and EQ at weeks 10-14?

Suggestions please... I can get any kind of gear I want.

 

[Zyglamail]

Thats very similar to what I am doing now. Its actually a good idea if you ask me because you will have androgens in your system up till the point you are ready to start clomid and dont have to wait for the long half life esters to trickle away while you wait.

Ideally, you would want the fina/winny to last 2 weeks after your long esters though, that way you can start clomid withing 4 days. Otherwise you are still going to have to wait a 7-10 days with the way you have it now. Since your frontloading blood levels should get as high in 12 days or so as it would normally take a 25days on a flat dosed cycle. 14 weeks is a bit long however, so if it were me I would cut the eq test back to 10 weeks and run fina/winny to 12 weeks.

 

[serge]

drop out eq after week 9, switch to a fast acting test after week 9, add tren after week 9 to replace eq, if you want to add winny with tren do so, if not its fine too.

 

[hockey1]

Run EQ past fina

I would take the EQ for 2 weeks longer than the last shot of fina,test,or anything then wait a week and start your clomid.EQ helps your gains stay!!!

 

[PARABOLAN]

do fina at the end to solidify ur gains..

 

[Andy13]

Yeah... I would also cut the eq 4 weeks out.. I would cut the test about three weeks out.. Don't worry, you will still have enough test in your system to prevent "fina dick."

Andy

 

[The_Eviscerator]

So tell me, should I stick out to the original plan; which is to take winny and fina at the end of the cycle, or should I take them in the middle?

-John

This is almost identical to what I plan to do starting on the 14th of this month. The only thing is that I am using EQ and Sustanon for weeks 1-8, Winny for weeks 7-12, and Fina weeks 9-12.

Ending with short acting esters makes a lot of sense. That way you can begin clomid therapy quicker and avoid the waste time where there is still long chain esters breaking down inhibiting your recovery.

Also, I would discontinue the Test and EQ at least 3 weeks out and do Fina and Winny alone to end it.

 

[M56M]

Re: Run EQ past fina

I would take the EQ for 2 weeks longer than the last shot of fina,test,or anything then wait a week and start your clomid.EQ helps your gains stay!!!

First of all that completely defeast the purpose. The point of this method is so that you can start the Clomid ASAP. If you weight and run the EQ longer you will have to wait 3 WEEkS until you last shot. And i do agree EQ gives keepable gains, but with using test you will still suffer loses. Also Fina is just as good as EQ, if not even better and giving keepable gains. Just letting you know... DO a search for Zyg and Andy's posts on frontloading and fast/slow acting ASs. You will like what you read.

The_Eviscerator check your PMs bro.


M56M

 

[trenbolone]

Wow! Thanks for the great feedback! I'll take the fina at the end and stop the eq and test ca. two weeks before my last fina shot.
But I'll start Clomid the same day as the last fina shot, just in case, and because it's so cheap and safe, I'll run it for three or four weeks.

-John

 

[M56M]

Wow! Thanks for the great feedback! I'll take the fina at the end and stop the eq and test ca. two weeks before my last fina shot.
But I'll start Clomid the same day as the last fina shot, just in case, and because it's so cheap and safe, I'll run it for three or four weeks.

-John

Wait til 3 days after your last shot of fina then start the clomid.

trenbolone check your PMs(private messegas) bro.


M56M

 

[freshr1]

I'm finishing off my 10 week eq/prop cycle with fina and it's great. I've done 3 weeks of 75mg/ed, and my last shot is tomorrow (noooooooooooooooo..). Anyway, fina kicks ass.

 

[The Iron Game]

tren or nandrolone are the two least things I would use at the end of my cycle. they tend to decrease sex drive much greater and inhibit natural t production much more than all others. Run something pass fina or nandrolone until either or is out of the system and continue running something else along side for a few more weeks. (prop)

 

[Andy13]

Mate- don't you think there is a point of no return when it comes to natural T-production?? Meaning, after coming off the test and eq, wouldn't you already say that natural T is supressed "enough" already and that the fina won't really do much to further supress an already supressed natural T?

mg per mg, tren and deca do supress natural T moreso than testosterone.. But I think after a cycle, the natural T is already done in and the fina won't make it worse..

I also think deca has such a bad reputation for supressing natural T since it is so long leaving the body.. It makes recovery difficult.

Andy

 

[macrophage69alpha]

TREN for some is a good choice- short acting and hardens you up

BUT IT CAN BE ULTRA SUPRESSIVE- progestenic downregulation of the HPTA tends to be more severe and longer lasting... though not for all

 

[Andy13]

But the tren is out of your system faster.. Out of system=no more progesterone effects.

 

[Big Johnson]

TREN for some is a good choice- short acting and hardens you up

BUT IT CAN BE ULTRA SUPRESSIVE- progestenic downregulation of the HPTA tends to be more severe and longer lasting... though not for all

Ditto. Fina shut me down something fierce. But, here I go again with it. Starting fina tomorrow

 

[The Iron Game]

we all know tren is out of the system relatively quickly, but we also know when people come off tren only cycles they tend to lose gains dramatically and gain fat. Deca is also similar. It shuts you down harder. The longer out of the system the better the chances of keeping the gains. As for your post Andy, the one on ending cycles with stuff like prop, going in even deeper. after some prop go on to an oral like winny or dbol only for 5 days or so .

 

[Andy13]

I think that is a good idea..

I read an article by Bill Roberts. He said up to 100mg of dbol can be taken a day and have little effect on HTPA if taken before noon.

Andy

 

[hockey1]

TREN QUESTION

If you are doing 50mg. clomid throughout the cycle could you just continue with that for the 2 weeks extra your on EQ and then continue for another 2 weeks after last shot?Then do ed clomid or is it better to end it with fina even though you are on clomid the whole cycle.

 

[M56M]

I think that is a good idea..

I read an article by Bill Roberts. He said up to 100mg of dbol can be taken a day and have little effect on HTPA if taken before noon.

Andy

Andy are you agreeing that Fina is not good to end a cycle with? Reading your post a few weeks ago you made it sound that it was perfect to allow the least amount of time off between your last shot and clomid?

I will be starting a sust./EQ/Fina/Winny cycle fairly soon, and would like if you could clear this up. I was going to use your method with the fina. Thanks alot i appreciate it.

M56M

 

[Mad Max]

I'm also very curious as to start the fina at the beggining or end of my cycle..
---PEACE---Mad Max

 

[DaMan]

TREN for some is a good choice- short acting and hardens you up

BUT IT CAN BE ULTRA SUPRESSIVE- progestenic downregulation of the HPTA tends to be more severe and longer lasting... though not for all

Is any of the POTENTIAL damage permanent?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

DaMan,

permanent damage- NO

LONGER THAN EXPECTED SHUTDOWN- YES

although tren is not Deca, which can SHUTDOWN HPTA for up to 13 months (though this not entirely common), it is very suppresive.

that being said, some people (usually those that have little problems with deca) get little suppression. It is really a matter of the HPTA's progestenic sensitivity, which varies.

 

[M56M]

DaMan,

permanent damage- NO

LONGER THAN EXPECTED SHUTDOWN- YES

although tren is not Deca, which can SHUTDOWN HPTA for up to 13 months (though this not entirely common), it is very suppresive.

that being said, some people (usually those that have little problems with deca) get little suppression. It is really a matter of the HPTA's progestenic sensitivity, which varies.

Will taking more clomid at higher dosages, or for a longer period of time help bring you back quicker? Is there anything to help bring back HPTA, this is very important for keeping gains.

M56M

 

[DaMan]

Will taking more clomid at higher dosages, or for a longer period of time help bring you back quicker? Is there anything to help bring back HPTA, this is very important for keeping gains.

M56M

I was gonna ask the exact same q. In fact I am. Will it?

 

[Andy13]

Andy are you agreeing that Fina is not good to end a cycle with? Reading your post a few weeks ago you made it sound that it was perfect to allow the least amount of time off between your last shot and clomid?

I will be starting a sust./EQ/Fina/Winny cycle fairly soon, and would like if you could clear this up. I was going to use your method with the fina. Thanks alot i appreciate it.

M56M

I STILL think switching from a longer ester to a shorter one is a good idea.

Yes, on a mg per mg basis, tren is more suppressive that test. But there is a limit to this.. When you are on 1g of AAS for 10 or so weeks, you are pretty well shut down. Adding a little tren at the end IS NOT going to make it much worse. It's kind of like hitting your self in the head with a hammer.. After about 100 or so times, you are going one messed up looking bro.. At that point, it really doesn't matter if you hit youself in the head a few more times or not.. It's not going to make much of a difference.

The studdies that show which AAS is more suppressive than another ususally do one shot.. ANd compare the AAS mg per mg. That's how tren is "harsher" than test.. But, again, there is a limit to this. Once you natural testosterone is down to pico-gram levels, it's not going to get much worse..


Deca is notorious for suppression because 1) It is more suppressive mg per mg that test.. INfact, 100mg is very suppressive. and 2) It hangs around your system for so long because of the deconate ester. If you did 500mg/week for ten weeks, you will have accumulated over 1300mg of esterified nandrolone in you system after the last shot.

Two months later (!!!!) you still have about 30-40mg left in your system!!!

Deca and tren CAN NOT be compared on suppression. They're not in the same ballpark... They're not even the same sport.

Andy

 

[Scotsman]

Great info guys. Personally I would reduce the test, drop the eq and pick up with the fina. Then again I am a fina freak so I am a little biased. Heed what Macro is saying though if you are prone to getting hpta shut down then fina may add longer problems. Though I haven't seen any negative feedback from my personal use of fina know many people who have had it shut them down hard. In the end the choice is yours but just make sure you know what may happen.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[M56M]

I STILL think switching from a longer ester to a shorter one is a good idea.

Yes, on a mg per mg basis, tren is more suppressive that test. But there is a limit to this.. When you are on 1g of AAS for 10 or so weeks, you are pretty well shut down. Adding a little tren at the end IS NOT going to make it much worse. It's kind of like hitting your self in the head with a hammer.. After about 100 or so times, you are going one messed up looking bro.. At that point, it really doesn't matter if you hit youself in the head a few more times or not.. It's not going to make much of a difference.

The studdies that show which AAS is more suppressive than another ususally do one shot.. ANd compare the AAS mg per mg. That's how tren is "harsher" than test.. But, again, there is a limit to this. Once you natural testosterone is down to pico-gram levels, it's not going to get much worse..


Deca is notorious for suppression because 1) It is more suppressive mg per mg that test.. INfact, 100mg is very suppressive. and 2) It hangs around your system for so long because of the deconate ester. If you did 500mg/week for ten weeks, you will have accumulated over 1300mg of esterified nandrolone in you system after the last shot.

Two months later (!!!!) you still have about 30-40mg left in your system!!!

Deca and tren CAN NOT be compared on suppression. They're not in the same ballpark... They're not even the same sport.

Andy

Thanks bud, that clears it up alot.

M56M

 

[freshr1]

I can add to this a bit.. as my previous post stated I finished my cycle off with fina ONLY for 3 weeks after a 10 week prop/eq cycle. it did definitely have an effect on my test levels as i noticed a drop in sex drive, but no big deal i could still perform my manly duties

in closing, i'd like to say i love fina, it kicks ass. thankyou.

 

[trenbolone]

How about doing it like this (end of the cycle):

wk 10-16 tren 150mg EOD
wk 10-16 winny 50mg ED
wk 2-16 test 500mg/wk

and here comes the twist;

wk 17-19 Anavar 60mg/ED
(wk 20- hcg, clomid)

So what if one would continue the test as long as the fina, but instead of starting clomid therapy (while test levels are high, which would be stupid anyway), would take a three week Anavar period, while the test levels normalize and gains from fina solidify? So would it be a good idea, to solidify fina gains with a three week anavar period after fina treatment?

Naturally after anavar would come the recovery phase; hcg and clomid.

-John

 

[trenbolone]

bump...

How about taking anavar at the end while waiting the test levels to go down so that Clomid can be started???

 

[M56M]

bump...

How about taking anavar at the end while waiting the test levels to go down so that Clomid can be started???

Personally i think anavar will be just as good as any other short acting AS. Considering it is known to have a low effect on you HPTA levels on decent dosages i wouldn't see why it wouldn't be a good choice. Also noting that it is used for bridging should be another good reason why it would not be a bad choice. I would say you should start it 2 weeks before ending your long acting AS, then run it three weeks longer by its self, then start clomid. Just my .02. Good Luck.

M56M

 

[trenbolone]

Yep, that's what I was thinking as well, starting one or two weeks before ending the "real" cycle, and running it 3-4 weeks post cycle, then HCG and Clomid.

Anyone disagree?

-John

 

[nuh_mizer]

I'll be using it the last half of a 10 week cycle, but I'll probably extend it to 6-7 weeks then do clomid and then anavar.