End of Cycle - Moving to TRT need help

[st8grad]

I'm five weeks out from ending my current cycle:

1-10 Testosterone Enanthate 500mg
10-20 Testosterone Enanthate 750mg
1-18 Boldenone 600mg
1-20 Letrozole .25 eod

I'm 32 and want to go for a TRT dose of Test in between cycles....250mg per week? I want to stop the Letro - and never take it again - but I'm concerned about estrogen rebound.

I don't think I need and A-Eye during TRT, but I wonder if I should run something lighter than the letrozole to combat estro rebound. Aromasin? A-dex at .5 eod for a couple weeks?

 

[st8grad]

I hate doing this, but, bump.

 

[holy ghost]

a dex is fine dude
i would have used that .5 eod during your cycle
instead of letro unless your totally prone to gyno
i only use letro to help reverse gyno
good luck big dog

 

[st8grad]

a dex is fine dude
i would have used that .5 eod during your cycle
instead of Femera - letrozole - unless your totally prone to gynecomastia
i only use Femera - letrozole - to help reverse gynecomastia
good luck big dog

I agree, but I thought maybe I could stretch out the letrozole through the whole cycle by using a low dose. Just a cost saving thing, until I really read more on how suppressive it really is. Live and learn.

 

[jcdc71]

Hey bro, I just started HRT myself after my first cycle (im 36 y.o.) and i am taking 140 mg/week ( 100mg every 5 days).

I was told that 250mg/week would be way too much

Good luck, I am not having any post-cycle "blues" or strength/size loss as a result of HRT

 

[r1]

250mg/week is far from TRT, bro. Like double.

Typical dosage that works for 90% of men is 100mg/week. 100mg/week (day 1) + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250iu 2x per week (days 6 and 7) puts me at the top of the normal range.

TRT is a lifelong commitment. Although I am happy with my regimen, to be honest, I would rather be healthy and not need it. The implications of TRT are serious because so many things are involved. On a cycle, you don't worry about things like long-term aromatase activity, DHEA, pregnenolone, lipid profiles, adrenal fatigue, thyroid function, etc...since you're doing the cycle for a small amount of time (12-15 weeks usually). All of that shit that I just mentioned becomes a reality when you're on "forever" and let me tell you, it can be a pain in the ass to deal with.

Like I said, I'm happy with what I got, but it's been a long and hard struggle.

R1

 

[holy ghost]

RL good post think thats quite the reality check.

Lets hear some pro/cons to being on hrt/trt

and what are qualifications

 

[leonidas33]

250mg/week is far from TRT, bro. Like double.

Typical dosage that works for 90% of men is 100mg/week. 100mg/week (day 1) + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250iu 2x per week (days 6 and 7) puts me at the top of the normal range.

TRT is a lifelong commitment. Although I am happy with my regimen, to be honest, I would rather be healthy and not need it. The implications of TRT are serious because so many things are involved. On a cycle, you don't worry about things like long-term aromatase activity, DHEA, pregnenolone, lipid profiles, adrenal fatigue, thyroid function, etc...since you're doing the cycle for a small amount of time (12-15 weeks usually). All of that shit that I just mentioned becomes a reality when you're on "forever" and let me tell you, it can be a pain in the ass to deal with.

Like I said, I'm happy with what I got, but it's been a long and hard struggle.

R1

but why settle for low test ranges and feel like crap all the time and spin your wheels in the weight room?

are you saying you cannot come off TRT now and be back to where you were before you started?

 

[r1]

If you need HRT, you need it and you should get it. However, you should be prepared for what it really entails. Go read some of the more popular HRT forums. You'll see we're constantly getting tested and making adjustments.

If you're ok with that, you're good to go.

Just don't think it's as simple as taking a shot of Test each week. The people that get away with that AND get good results from HRT are few and far between.

We have a pretty standard formula for what works in HRT, but like gear cycles, everyone is different. The "sweet spot" tends to be different for every guy and the process of finding it is often time consuming and expensive. Some need less Test and more HCG or vice versa. Some people constantly battle E2. It's tiring and the constant testing can be expensive if you don't have insurance.

HRT is a great therapy if you can make it work for you. The challenge is in making it work for you. With HRT, you are attempting to replace a very complex part of our makeup...one that is intertwined with almost every other system in your body. I think that gets overlooked a lot.

R1

 

[r1]

BTW-I'd be tempted to try to come off at some point because in a lot of men, low Test is not a root-cause problem. It's a symptom of something else like adrenal fatigue or low thyroid function. When my kids can sleep through the night and my job isn't as demanding, I might try it someday. I tried to go off of HRT about a year ago and failed. However, I did not know about thryroid or adrenal problems then.

R1

 

[holy ghost]

again good posts

 

[thebrakes]

again good posts

agreed. TRT is alot more than a shot a week and forget it...but it seems worth it when compared to the alternative (for those who really need it)

low-dose clomid is another option worth looking into...

 

[leonidas33]

BTW-I'd be tempted to try to come off at some point because in a lot of men, low Test is not a root-cause problem. It's a symptom of something else like adrenal fatigue or low thyroid function. When my kids can sleep through the night and my job isn't as demanding, I might try it someday. I tried to go off of HRT about a year ago and failed. However, I did not know about thryroid or adrenal problems then.

R1

yeah, great info r1... thanks for sharing... but lets say you start HRT... you get on it for a couple of years and then decide to get off because of the complexity and not able to find your sweet spot... when you come off, will you have done damage OR can you revert right back to where you were before you went on? Also what is one of those good HRT sites you mentioned earlier?

 

[st8grad]

What do they do for testing adrenal fatigue? Isn't that more of a condition that they think may or may not exist and truly no way to test for it? Of course they can test cortisol levels, but how do we truly know when or if the adrenals are stressed out?

As for the rest I appreciate the input. It's definitely a lot to think about in terms of consistent and constant health maintenance.

I'm not sure what my brain was doing when I wrote down 250mg per week. I think I was thinking of 250mg/ml of enanthate for some reason. I have seen the protocol for HRT including the HCG dosing as well.

Aside from going through an HRT clinic, I think I would go with my primary doc first, how often are you have those panels done?

I know there are many kits to do home testing of the aforementioned hormones....is that a viable alternative to going through the doctor? Or is monitoring my own levels and making adjustments based on those results over my head? Clearly if any complication arise I would need to (and would without hesitation) bring all that forward to my doctor.

What do you think bro?

250mg/week is far from TRT, bro. Like double.

Typical dosage that works for 90% of men is 100mg/week. 100mg/week (day 1) + HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250iu 2x per week (days 6 and 7) puts me at the top of the normal range.

TRT is a lifelong commitment. Although I am happy with my regimen, to be honest, I would rather be healthy and not need it. The implications of TRT are serious because so many things are involved. On a cycle, you don't worry about things like long-term aromatase activity, DHEA, pregnenolone, lipid profiles, adrenal fatigue, thyroid function, etc...since you're doing the cycle for a small amount of time (12-15 weeks usually). All of that shit that I just mentioned becomes a reality when you're on "forever" and let me tell you, it can be a pain in the ass to deal with.

Like I said, I'm happy with what I got, but it's been a long and hard struggle.

R1

 

[r1]

The best advice I can give is to print out Dr John's "Recipe for success" from http://www.allthingsmale.com and then take that to your doc.

If your doc is willing to follow that, you're in good hands. If not, find a new doc.

Home testing is great if your state allows it. NY and CA generally do not (I am in CA), so I have to go through a doctor. I get tested every 4-6 weeks and most of the time, I am making adjustments along the way.

If you have enough knowledge about the process, you can self-medicate, but gettings labs to make sure you're doing it right can be problematic without insurance.

R1

 

[r1]

BTW-The thing that drove me to TRT is sex drive. When I was in college and my mid/late 20's, I needed it every day and got pissed off if I didn't get it. 30's rolls around and I could care less...I hated it.

Now I feel like I'm back in college again, but staying in "the zone" is an ongoing process. Now, it is worth it...most days.

R1

 

[st8grad]

I'm right there with you bro. My thyroid is good though. But from 15-20 or so I could have sex multiple times in succession (and wanted it all the time) and now I don't care all that much. Except for the first couple weeks on cycle. Then I am poking holes in everything around me.

Thanks for the advice bro.

BTW-The thing that drove me to TRT is sex drive. When I was in college and my mid/late 20's, I needed it every day and got pissed off if I didn't get it. 30's rolls around and I could care less...I hated it.

Now I feel like I'm back in college again, but staying in "the zone" is an ongoing process. Now, it is worth it...most days.

R1

 

[OMEGA]

you will know if 250 is enough about 6-8 weeks after your normal "cycle"

so dont form an opinion until you cleared that time.

Even when you come off a cycle and roll into trt/hrt though you wont "crash" super hard but you will feel it.

HRT for many is between 250 -400 a week and blood test will be integral to measure just how much of it si wroking in you. SO go by feel and Tests