Enathate as a bridge?

[needsize]

I was thinking of bridging with 200mg a week of enathate. I know that is enough to shut me down, but I was thinking of getting hcg to help with that. I would prefer ox or something along those lines, but am unable to get any of the typical bridges at this point (until my favourite lab comes out with ox caps).

My question is, would there be a lot of conversion to estrogen at that dose, and with that water retention, or is it too individual to guess?

 

[bigdelt69]

Everyone's body responds different to this test eth. All I can tell you is if I took 200mg today I would be bloated tomarrow. Perhaps you could take some liquidex? Not sure if it will stop the est conversion but it should keep you from the bloat.

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

Like you said it's to individual to guess but 200 is a low dose......althougth you didn't ask, IMO test is not a wise choice to bridge with....

 

[Willyumyum]

You will still be shut down EVEN if you use hcg... Testosterone is NOT a viable solution for bridging...

YUM

 

[Nathan]

If you don't care about being shut down, why not go with winny powder or something? Same guy I think you're talking about provided he still has some and I hope he does. Just don't take it all.

 

[NFG123]

I was thinking of bridging with 200mg a week of enathate. I know that is enough to shut me down, but I was thinking of getting hcg to help with that. I would prefer ox or something along those lines, but am unable to get any of the typical bridges at this point (until my favourite lab comes out with ox caps).

My question is, would there be a lot of conversion to estrogen at that dose, and with that water retention, or is it too individual to guess?

If you are gonna bridge with testoviron ... why not just bridge with 50 mg week deca ...

 

[jc21]

i really dont see the point to it...that would be like supplementing your natural test production with test enanthate. i wouldnt do it. just get some gains naturally.

 

[needsize]

If you don't care about being shut down, why not go with winny powder or something? Same guy I think you're talking about provided he still has some and I hope he does. Just don't take it all.

I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same guy, I never though about winny powder, I was hoping for some of his ox powder, but he's out, but now he says anavar caps are on the way, I just don't know if it'll be in time.

If I can't get ox, primo, of hgh, are there any other viable alternatives for bridging

 

[alien amp pharm]

If you're gonna 'bridge' with 200mg/week, why not just stay on the cycle? You'll gain more with a higher dose per week. Besides your natural test won't recover anyways with that kind of bridge, you'll still be doing the same damage to your body, but not getting the results you should (if you bridge w/200mg test).

 

[Nathan]

Pgf2a. That's what I've opted for since I really need a break. I bridged with winny safter cycle before last - like 100mg ED too. I can let you know how it goes if you like. Should be starting very soon if my package gets here.

 

[rutNgut]

enanthate really isnt a bridging drug.

id stick with var for that....just be careful and make sure u take care of ure body.

rNg

 

[needsize]

Pgf2a. That's what I've opted for since I really need a break. I bridged with winny safter cycle before last - like 100mg ED too. I can let you know how it goes if you like. Should be starting very soon if my package gets here.

I'm sure i'm gonna look retarded on this one, but what is Pgf2a?

Also, you bridged with winny, how did that work out?

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

I'm sure i'm gonna look retarded on this one, but what is Pgf2a?

Also, you bridged with winny, how did that work out?

Prostaglandin F2 Alpha (PGF2A) Lutalyse

 

[gilly6993-recreatedbygeorge]

This is courtesy of Ranger:

Is PGF2A for me?


Is PGF2A for everyone? Clearly not! Will it work? Yes! In this
information, I will try to cover as much as possible about this drug. What I
have put together here is based much upon personal experiences…. I feel
no report can accurately prepare you for everything…. PGF2A is no
exception! Contributing to this report are Big Brother Val, Ranger, Jeff rys,
BigDawg, and E2, from the Elite Fitness Discussion board Mr. Nobody,
and Efigy…. Thank you all for your patience!


PGF2A and anabolism.


Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2A in skeletal
muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2A usage is still
reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge its
precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2A is
that it potentates the anabolic effects of insulin. By combining PGF2A,
and insulin athletes can use much less insulin and get a much better
muscle building effect than with insulin alone.


Is PGF2A safe?


The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of steroids, insulin,
clenbuterol, etc. By the way, PGF2A is invisible at any drug test. What
kind of side effects to expect? The main side effect -- if we exclude
the elevation of temperature - is a strong laxative effect. So make sure
you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This lasts around 20 minutes.
What you do not want is to inject PGF2A into a vein! Learn to do the
aspiration test. PGF2A is injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle
if you are lean enough. Injecting in a vein will hurt like hell and for
a very long time (up to an hour). You may feel as if you have a cold in
your throat. This is due to the vasoconstriction effect PGF2A has in
the lungs. Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of
it in men.


PGF2A is not to be confused with steroids.


Although part of the anabolic actions of androgens are from a local
release of PGF2A. PGF2A produces growth in a radically different way from
steroids -- While steroid use is rather comfortable. PGF2A is used in a
radically different way than Anabolic and Androgenic Steroids. With AS
You inject or swallow them occasionally and wait for the growth to
occur. This is not the case with PGF2A. PGF2A's main drawback is its
difficult method of administration. Steroids once injected exert their effect
for several days in the body. PGF2A's duration is only several minutes
though its stimulatory action on anabolism lasts several hours. This
means that to be effective, frequent injections are compulsory. An ideal
injection schedule would be five times daily, 30 minutes after meals.
You will also notice immediately after injecting PGF2A into the muscle,
the injection site becomes sore almost immediately. If the muscle was
already sore from training, the pain may become intense. You defini!
tely do not want to repeat injections to the same location, hence the
necessity of rotation. Additionally, you will notice you cannot inject
into a muscle and then train that muscle. PGF2A is algesic (a pain
mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for
at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle before using it for
an injection. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training
this muscle. Again If your muscle is sore, I advise not injecting into
it until it is not sore. You will also learn that it is more comfortable
to inject the outer part of the muscle rather than the inner part. For
example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than
the inner head that touches the lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps
and back are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2A will
induce.

 

[needsize]

Thanks for posting that, but it took my long enough to work up to every day injections, no way i could go 5x a day

 

[guards]

I don't like the idea of bridging....no matter what the compound. If can lead to a lot more problems further down the road.


My 2 cents

 

[Nathan]

Problems schmoblems. It's your call but I don't think it's such a big deal now and then. Just get regular blood tests and come off with L-dex, clomid, Nolva, and clen and you'll be fine.
My "bridge" turned into 100mg ED of winny very fast. So, I was shut down to say the least. It allowed me to diet a bit though which was nice. Any liver problems? Nope, not as far as I know. Last time I got blood taken I wsa on the winny so my liver enzymes were a bit high, but I'm getting blood taken again tomorrow so I can let you know how it goes, but I don't think it'll be a problem. I'm mainly concerned about my test coming back fast enough for my liking. I stayed on for 14 weeks total and was only off for 4 weeks before that. Anyway, I lost like 6 lbs. coming off and have been stable for the past week so I'm not too concerned. I will let you know if you like. I'd be interested to hear what you decide to do as well and how it goes.

 

[Amp]

If your goal is to hold onto your gains and give your organs and receptors a break from high dosages I think 200mg of enanthate works great. I did it for 8 weeks. It's cheap and it works. This is coming from someone that has been on for a year now though.

Some people believe in restoring their natural test back to normal right before shutting it back down again in the next cycle. What's the point of that? Getting your natural test levels back to optimum levels for the last few weeks of an 8 week layoff from gear?

It doesn't matter to me what everyone else does though, I know what works for me, and if that works for them and they believe in it fine. After a year of being on I thought I was "shut down", so my wife stopped taking birth control to give her body a break after 5 years of using it. Guess what, I'm going to be a dad in October. I got her pregant during my 200mg per week enanthate bridge. I did not come off cycle with clomid either because I knew that wouldn't make any sense because I was still going to be on test. Everyone responds different. Some peoples balls shrink down to the size of pea, after a year mine are the same size.

And for everyone that wants to flame me about the liver, and etc. I get my bloodwork done every 3 months and it is normal. Do you know where your liver enzyme levels are?

 

[needsize]

Thanks for all the input guys, Nathan, yah, keep me updated and I'll let you know what I decide to go with.
What about 200mg EQ/week as a bridge?

 

[Nathan]

Dude, I say go for it. Live and learn. It won't kill you, that you can count on. You might really like it, which I suppose is actually your biggest problem, tee hee. Your liver won't be hurting from that, you will more than likely be shut down though. HOWEVER, if you don't have trouble coming off normally, I think it's definitely worth a try. If it does shit ass all, then oh well, you'll know better next time. Just make sure that if you bridge with, say eq, you switch up the drugs when you go back on to get max effect on your receptors.

 

[Amp]

Last time I got blood taken I wsa on the winny so my liver enzymes were a bit high, but I'm getting blood taken again tomorrow so I can let you know how it goes, but I don't think it'll be a problem.

The only thing that ever raised my liver enzyme levels was oral winny. It wasn't anything significant either. And you are right, it will be back to normal quick. I stopped the winny and 10 days later was back to normal on my next test.

The benefit of having health insurance and a doctor that knows you are using gear - I can get bloodwork done whenever I want. Sure they tried to lecture me about gear at first, but now they don't know what to think after nearly a year and a half of normal tests (most doctors don't know jack and many will admit it). According to them I am much healthier than the average person and my cholesterol levels were alot better than what my wife's were who follows a good diet and exercise plan.

 

[needsize]

Dude, I say go for it. Live and learn. It won't kill you, that you can count on. You might really like it, which I suppose is actually your biggest problem, tee hee. Your liver won't be hurting from that, you will more than likely be shut down though. HOWEVER, if you don't have trouble coming off normally, I think it's definitely worth a try. If it does shit ass all, then oh well, you'll know better next time. Just make sure that if you bridge with, say eq, you switch up the drugs when you go back on to get max effect on your receptors.

Good point, I was going to run EQ in the fall so maybe I should pick something else then. Where the hell are those spectro ox caps already?

 

[Nathan]

The only thing that ever raised my liver enzyme levels was oral winny. It wasn't anything significant either. And you are right, it will be back to normal quick. I stopped the winny and 10 days later was back to normal on my next test.

The benefit of having health insurance and a doctor that knows you are using gear - I can get bloodwork done whenever I want. Sure they tried to lecture me about gear at first, but now they don't know what to think after nearly a year and a half of normal tests (most doctors don't know jack and many will admit it). According to them I am much healthier than the average person and my cholesterol levels were alot better than what my wife's were who follows a good diet and exercise plan.

There ya go. And MOST importantly, gear is fun! And that's what counts in the end if you ask me, provided you aren't taking away from future fun, which I don't think you are. I'm pretty sure I'm slowly making less and less sense so I'm gonna go sit over here by myself for a while.

 

[Amp]

There ya go. And MOST importantly, gear is fun! And that's what counts in the end if you ask me, provided you aren't taking away from future fun, which I don't think you are. I'm pretty sure I'm slowly making less and less sense so I'm gonna go sit over here by myself for a while.

Made sense to me, you can come back now. Yes gear is fun, I forgot why I don't go off very often. I was a late bloomer though, didn't start until I was 28 after wieght training since I was 13 so I am playing catch up.

 

[needsize]

Made sense to me, you can come back now. Yes gear is fun, I forgot why I don't go off very often. I was a late bloomer though, didn't start until I was 28 after wieght training since I was 13 so I am playing catch up.

Same here, started at 27 after more than 10 years of training, kinda wish I had of started earlier though.

 

[Amp]

I wish I started a little earlier. I don't have the appetite or energy to eat like a 21 year old anymore. Once I hit the mid 260's I start to peak out because I can't eat enough to sustain more growth on top of that weight. I am glad I established a really solid base to build on though, and with the knowledge and years experience to train correctly for my bodytype it makes the gear work very well.

 

[needsize]

Re: just my .02

But I think that bridging is for pussies that can't stay motivated for 12-14 weeks without juice.....

Like I said just my .02 but that .02 will be worth 1billion when you have liver cancer.

Thanks for your input. However I don't view myself a pussy, my body is so far above the weight it was designed to be, I've gone from 145lbs to 225, that it just wants to drop all the weight I've gained as soon as I stop the cycle. I do everything right, and still cant maintain my gains, so I'm going to give bridging a try.

As far as being a pussy who can't stay motivated for 12-14 weeks without juice, I guess you also trained for over 10 years before turing to juice yourself huh?

 

[Amp]

Re: just my .02

But I think that bridging is for pussies that can't stay motivated for 12-14 weeks without juice.....

Like I said just my .02 but that .02 will be worth 1billion when you have liver cancer.

So is that directed to me? Really a pussy? I trained for 15 years straight without steroids, was an all state wrestler, and stayed motivated the entire time without drugs. What I do now is my choice.

Please direct us to all of your liver cancer research pointing to the cause being anabolic steroids being used for a couple years. Thanks

 

[Amp]

Re: Re: Re: just my .02

it wasn't directed at anybody, it was just my opinion. Btw....I'm so proud of your accomplishments, i'm sure your mother is very proud.

That's right wise ass she's really proud. And your so proud of your physique that you don't post your stats or put a picture of yourself in your avatar because you are skinnier than those zambon amps. With that said I'm sure your next post will be "bro, I'm 6'1" 310 pounds with 1% bodyfat"

I'll take it personal because you made a generalization that people that bridge are pussies.

And you forgot to point out the research on liver cancer that you cannot product because it doesn't exist.

Get back to your algebra homework.

 

[needsize]

Re: Re: Re: Re: just my .02

That's right wise ass she's really proud. And your so proud of your physique that you don't post your stats or put a picture of yourself in your avatar because you are skinnier than those zambon amps. With that said I'm sure your next post will be "bro, I'm 6'1" 310 pounds with 1% bodyfat"

I'll take it personal because you made a generalization that people that bridge are pussies.

And you forgot to point out the research on liver cancer that you cannot product because it doesn't exist.

Get back to your algebra homework.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing........

 

[BigAndy69]

Needsize one word: Dbol!!! Best bridge is dbol, 10-15mg in the morning. You'll love it,

Long ester drugs like Eq and Enanthate are terrible choices for bridges...you juist waste your time.

Btw, I've got 5grams of var powder from our friend that I'm turning into injectable.

They're coming out with anavar caps? can't wait.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Needsize one word: Dbol!!! Best bridge is dbol, 10-15mg in the morning. You'll love it,

I have some extra dbol just laying around. I'd like to maybe use it as a bridge. How safe is 10-15 mg ED? Would that play havoc on my system?

 

[Nathan]

Penis.

 

[needsize]

Needsize one word: Dbol!!! Best bridge is dbol, 10-15mg in the morning. You'll love it,

Long ester drugs like Eq and Enanthate are terrible choices for bridges...you juist waste your time.

Btw, I've got 5grams of var powder from our friend that I'm turning into injectable.

They're coming out with anavar caps? can't wait.

Bastard, you're the reason he didn't have any powder by the time I got around to ordering...jk.
Hopefully the caps are out soon

 

[BigAndy69]

Bastard, you're the reason he didn't have any powder by the time I got around to ordering...jk.
Hopefully the caps are out soon

I don't know...anavar is SO hard to come by, if and when they do come out, get ready to snatch as many as you can because I don't there will be too much available.

 

[guards]

I don't know...anavar is SO hard to come by, if and when they do come out, get ready to snatch as many as you can because I don't there will be too much available.

Get in line dude.....

 

[needsize]

Get in line dude.....

Already there, you don't wanna know what I'd do for some spectro anavar.....

 

[Nathan]

Already there, you don't wanna know what I'd do for some spectro anavar.....

Does it involve a broom stick and a chimpanzee?

 

[needsize]

Does it involve a broom stick and a chimpanzee?

And a circus midget if there was enough caps in the deal

 

[Nathan]

And a circus midget if there was enough caps in the deal

Well, you have heart I'll give you that.

 

[Amp]

Re: How did you know my stats....

except i'm 1 1/2% bodyfat. Damn your good

I was hoping you would get back to me. This board can be some damn fun entertainment. 1 1/2% is still good though, 7 days of DNP should get you around 1/4%

At least your a good sport

What would this board be without these heated conversations? Boring to say the least.