Empty stomach cardio????

[peerchek]

I was researching HIIT, i found a post by destroyer1986

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316666

He explains how empty stomach cardio is bad for your muscles. Does an empty stomach cardio preserve the muscle or waste away the muscle? I'm currently 6'0 198lbs. aprox. 15%bf. I wana try to drop some bf and gain a little lmm. Can some of you experts help me out a give me further clarification on what to do? Thanks bros.

 

[Redshoteye]

Empty stomach cardio is hands down THE BEST way to burn fat... but, yes, on the flipside of it, it is more likely to lose a bit of muscle. It's never great for muscles when you train hard with no fuel for energy.

 

[kiosk]

I was told the same, bad idea to train on morning with empty stomach when your muscles are depleted of glycogen.....and that is also over rated as a fat loss tactic.....the whole poing of HIT cardio is that you continue to burn fat hours after the workout....not while, and you gotta eat at some point!

 

[peerchek]

so when would yall suggest doing cardio?

I'm lifting at 1pm, i have been doing cardio (running 2 miles) on an empty stomach when i wake up. It seems to be working ok, but it just scared me when i read it can ruin muscle. i'm also finishing up a bottle of winnny, 2 1/2 weeks left shotin eod.

Thanks bros

 

[pintoca]

do lower intensity, longer duration cardio... by lower intensity I mean some 75% MHR and NOT 60%.

eat after you do your cardio

 

[Mr_Sinister]

try drinking/eating protein 1 hr before the run.

 

[Vicious cycle]

I wana try to drop some bf and gain a little lmm.

Pick one, you'll be better off.

 

[Steve720]

What do ya'all think about having a scoop of whey (22-25g protein) in some water like 20 minutes prior to an early morning "empty stomach" running session.. One would think this would help preserve muscle and have no/little effect on fat burning...?

 

[peerchek]

ya steve i would like to know how that would turn out? I'm a bit confused about my cardio right now. shit.

 

[PatBateman3]

What do ya'all think about having a scoop of whey (22-25g protein) in some water like 20 minutes prior to an early morning "empty stomach" running session.. One would think this would help preserve muscle and have no/little effect on fat burning...?

This would kill the fat burning positive effects of empty cardio. You basically have to pick one or the other. Although, it has been recommended to me that prior to empty stomach cardio it is best to have water and BCAA's.

Do a search on the anabolic forum, I posted this same topic. Hands down, almost all responses were in favor of empty stomach cardio.

 

[peerchek]

Ok thanks alot for the input guys.. I think i'm goin to continue with the empty stomach cardio.

Pitoca, what do you mean by lower intensity and longer duration. ex. such as a 4 mile run. 75% mhr???

 

[sublime35]

read this page first, before you make a decision. I used to do empty stomach cardio, but found I was losing too much LBM. http://home.howstuffworks.com/food9.htm

 

[Mr_Sinister]

Well, there are some interesting things you could incorporate into your cardio to enhance energy and theoretically burn more fat, which should spare muscle.

- Vitamins B2 and B3 help move the metabolic process along, this includes beta oxidation. Too much B3 can cause flushing though.
- Tyrosine, the precursor to norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine. Increasing catecholamines could increase fat burning by a margin. You might need a dosage of 3-4 grams to get the process going.
- Caffeine, jacks you up, helps get the fat mobilizing.
- Other stuff: Ephedrine, Yohimbine, Nicotine, know your limits with these compounds, and personally... I wouldn't combine the three.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

Well, there are some interesting things you could incorporate into your cardio to enhance energy and theoretically burn more fat, which should spare muscle.

- Vitamins B2 and B3 help move the metabolic process along, this includes beta oxidation. Too much B3 can cause flushing though.
- Tyrosine, the precursor to norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine. Increasing catecholamines could increase fat burning by a margin. You might need a dosage of 3-4 grams to get the process going.
- Caffeine, jacks you up, helps get the fat mobilizing.
- Green tea, some people have said the EGCG helps w/ fat loss.
- Other stuff: Ephedrine, Yohimbine, Nicotine, know your limits with these compounds, and personally... I wouldn't combine the three.

 

[peerchek]

thats kinda confusing, i dont know if i would wana take all those supps.

 

[Mr_Sinister]

pick, choose, discard, everythings on the table.

 

[peerchek]

ahh i see, thanks for the advice bro.

 

[Steve720]

This would kill the fat burning positive effects of empty cardio. You basically have to pick one or the other. Although, it has been recommended to me that prior to empty stomach cardio it is best to have water and BCAA's.

Do a search on the anabolic forum, I posted this same topic. Hands down, almost all responses were in favor of empty stomach cardio.

How would consuming a small amount of whey protein prior to running in the morning 'kill' the fat burning effects of cardio?? I thought since protein doesntt elevate insulin levels then it wouldnt affect lypolosis (aka fat burning) ?? please elaborate

 

[gimp]

just do your cardio and don't worry about it....drink a scoop of whey if your worried about it. the best advice here is to either choose to lose weight or gain mass, it's really hard to do both..especially if your natural...just get in shape, then worry about gaining mass.