effectiveness of 1-test base powder vs. ether in transdermal delivery

[beanpole]

I've been getting ready to put together my transdermal 1-test and found that Kilo-Sports is currently only carrying the ether and ester versions.

Is there any reason why the ether would be any less effective than the base powder for transdermal delivery?

Also, i could have sworn that i once saw a link to another site that sold bulk products, but can't find it again. Anyone know of such a site?

thank you much

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Beyond-a-century.com is another bulk supplier and has higher quality prohormones than kilosports. They do not have 1-test as far as I know, but they do have 5alpha androstanediol (same as 3-alpha from Molecular Nutrition) for a little over a dollar per gram! That is a great deal, considering Molecular's 3-alpha costs 40 bucks for 60x100mg capsules.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Beyond-a-century.com is another bulk supplier and has higher quality prohormones than kilosports. They do not have 1-test as far as I know, but they do have 5alpha androstanediol (same as 3-alpha from Molecular Nutrition) for a little over a dollar per gram! That is a great deal, considering Molecular's 3-alpha costs 40 bucks for 60x100mg capsules.

I would be shocked if it was real 3-Alpha. We have an exclusive with the one lab able to make it over in China so far. All the 3-Alpha samples I have seen from other labs have tested out the be 3-beta. At that price especially, I do not believe it is real alpha isomer. I would not buy it unless they can foster an INDEPENDENT lab assay on it. Likely they will only have a C of A from the manufacturer, which is worthless. Ask them about it.

And a company that sells such a material without first testing it would not be high on my list of trustworthy places to buy from.


- Bill

 

[pa1ad]

I would be shocked if it was real 3-Alpha. We have an exclusive with the one lab able to make it over in China so far. All the 3-Alpha samples I have seen from other labs have tested out the be 3-beta. At that price especially, I do not believe it is real alpha isomer. I would not buy it unless they can foster an INDEPENDENT lab assay on it. Likely they will only have a C of A from the manufacturer, which is worthless. Ask them about it.

And a company that sells such a material without first testing it would not be high on my list of trustworthy places to buy from.


- Bill

i can test it for you bill, if you give me a sample of real 3alpha along with the product in question

 

[wojo]

the facts are latimus
1) 3-alpha is 50mg cap x 60 caps
2)BAC never claimed that they are selling the 3-alpha they r selling the 3 beta

i take it your buying this 98% pure 4-ad from intynct999 right?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

i can test it for you bill, if you give me a sample of real 3alpha along with the product in question

Thanks Pat. I might take you up on that next time. I hate paying for these tests when the result always comes out the same.

 

[pa1ad]

Beyond-a-century.com is another bulk supplier and has higher quality prohormones than kilosports. They do not have 1-test as far as I know, but they do have 5alpha androstanediol (same as 3-alpha from Molecular Nutrition) for a little over a dollar per gram! That is a great deal, considering Molecular's 3-alpha costs 40 bucks for 60x100mg capsules.

How did you determine that their purity is higher? Did you sprinkle it on leprechauns or something?

Ignorant fuck

 

[pa1ad]

I've been getting ready to put together my transdermal 1-test and found that Kilo-Sports is currently only carrying the ether and ester versions.

Is there any reason why the ether would be any less effective than the base powder for transdermal delivery?

Also, i could have sworn that i once saw a link to another site that sold bulk products, but can't find it again. Anyone know of such a site?

thank you much

lipophilic derivatives of free steroid hormones generally have less permeability through the skin than the free steroids themselves

 

[wojo]

is this true for the ester?i thought fina was a ester and that works somewhat weel for a transdermal.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

How did you determine that their purity is higher? Did you sprinkle it on leprechauns or something?

Ignorant fuck

no. I know because

1) An individual had it and several other of their powders tested and they all came back to be very impure. The method used was HPLC.

and

2) The 4AD is ergopharm, so right offf the bat I knew it would be crappy quality-wise. Everyone, from animal to the guy that tested the powders, to bill roberts and the rest of biotest has said that they had difficulty working with ergopharm products due to the large amounts of impurities.


To whomever asked, I am talking about instynct999.

 

[pa1ad]

is this true for the ester?i thought fina was a ester and that works somewhat weel for a transdermal.

free trenbolone would probably work even better transdermally

 

[pa1ad]

no. I know because

1) An individual had it and several other of their powders tested and they all came back to be very impure. The method used was HPLC.

and

2) The 4AD is ergopharm, so right offf the bat I knew it would be crappy quality-wise. Everyone, from animal to the guy that tested the powders, to bill roberts and the rest of biotest has said that they had difficulty working with ergopharm products due to the large amounts of impurities.


To whomever asked, I am talking about instynct999.

To 1): Lets see the assays. I think you are full of shit

To 2): LPJ Research sells 4-AD bulk, NOT ergopharm. And if Biotest thinks its so crappy then why does it use it in Androsol? Yes, LPJ (my company) makes androsol for biotest and Tim told me personally that we make a very high quality product.

So go on, keep showing how ignorant you are.

 

[beanpole]

It seems as though my original question has fallen between the cracks of the pro-hormone quality wars.

bump for an answer

 

[latinus_spicticus]

To 1): Lets see the assays. I think you are full of shit

To 2): LPJ Research sells 4-AD bulk, NOT ergopharm. And if Biotest thinks its so crappy then why does it use it in Androsol? Yes, LPJ (my company) makes androsol for biotest and Tim told me personally that we make a very high quality product.

So go on, keep showing how ignorant you are.

1) Unless Kilosports is fucking with the LPJ product that they sell, you already know that the quality of your 4ad sucks balls. So what good would showing you an assay do? You are a dishonest shill. Why does everyone who tries to dissolve your 4ad powder for injection agree that it is low-quality compared to the other two 4AD powder sources? They have less reason to lie than you do, PussyAss.

2) LPJ /ergopharm--whatever, both are yours. When Kneller and Roberts first tried to make Biotest's Androsol, they did not want to use your 4AD because it was so impure. They only agreed to use it after you threatened them with legal action. I will post proof of this in the next few replies on this topic. Keep in mind, these messages were taken from misc.fitness.weights and can be found at google groups.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Here is one where bill roberts talks about the impurities of the LPJ prohormones when they were trying to formulate the androsol product:



From: Bill R ([email protected])
Subject: Re: question for bruce kneller
Newsgroups: misc.fitness.weights
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Date: 2000/01/31


Bill R wrote:
> Patrick Arnold wrote:
> > How are these crop of prohormone products "dirty" Bruce? And if you say
> > that the bulk prohormones contain impurities you know that Biotest is
> > gonna buy its bulk from the same people everyone else does.
> > [snip]
> > What the fuck are you talking about? If Bill were smart he would slap
> > you silly because all the stupid shit you are saying is just gonna ruin
> > the sales of the stuff. Whore.
> Not at all. Rather we are removing the impurities (over 4% by weight)
> from LPJ androdiol. I don't recall the exact elemental analysis, but
> the organic-insoluble material was mostly alkali metals, halogens,
> and iron (a lot of iron for some weird reason.)
>
> I was not going to say anything about it -- I just gave them a process
> for cleaning it up and we were not going to make any big deal about it
> because we determined the impurities weren't toxic, though we still don't
> want them in our stuff-- but now that you drag my name into it, there it is.

Oh, and BTW folks, don't believe what some have posted about
prohormones being inherently bitter. Dirty prohormones are bitter.
When they are clean there is no bitterness at all.

Will Biotest prohormones be pure and tasteless? Yes. Are LPJ
prohormones pure and tasteless? Hell no, they are bitter and
sometimes nasty (tan colored even, though the prohormone
itself is pure white.) Ours are of course snow white, though
they sure as hell didn't arrive that way from LPJ. It's
a matter of pride and a matter of good practices.

Please don't drag my name and the Biotest prohormones into
your vendetta with Bruce Kneller. I don't regard mfw as a forum
to push what we are doing, but I don't like it being used as a
forum to slag what we are doing either. Thank you.

WR

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Here is another one where Roberts elaborates on the impurities in LPJ androdiol:



Message 1 in thread
From: Bill Roberts ([email protected])
Subject: Response to Ed Sturm
Newsgroups: misc.fitness.weights
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Date: 2000/07/26


Ed, "does anyone really believe?"

Do you want us to send you a kilo or so of crap removed from LPJ
androdiol? No problem, we can Fed-Ex it to you, if you don't believe we
remove it.

I would appreciate taking the courtesy to find out the facts from us
regarding our product and our manufacturing methods before posting these
sorts of insinuations.

There is no "miracle" involved. 4-AD is soluble in isopropyl alcohol but
about 4% of LPJ androdiol is not... it is inorganic impurities. Plus
there is about another 5-6% of organic impurities which are soluble and
which are not removed... this is the price of using material produced
by a manufacturer which habitually sells inferior-grade material (and
has made quite plain that it couldn't care less.)

Anyone in the industry who works with 4-AD can tell you that regardless of
LPJ's assertions to the contrary, it is a fact that there is Chinese
material, in bulk, which tests 95% pure compared to the 90% pure of LPJ.
Do you want such assays sent you as well? Or I suggest there are various
people in the industry who work with 4-AD that you can contact.

For that matter I can tell you where to buy such 4-AD if you would prefer
to sell a 95% pure product to your customers rather than 90% pure, from a
manufacturer who did not even care enough to find out what the impurities
were -- we had to tell them after doing the analysis ourselves!

Back to use of LPJ androdiol in Androsol: If the inorganic impurities are
not removed you have a white milky solution with a lot of particles in it.
All this has been explained in detail. This is removed by filtration. All
this has been explained before. There is no "miracle" as you sarcastically
imply.

If you would, e-mail me if you have questions, Ed, before attacking our
products or claims regarding their manufacture further with
speculations such as that we don't really remove any
impurities. You were simply wrong. Thanks.

-- Bill



(If anyone wants to search for more proof that LPJ sells shit products, go to groups.google.com and do an advanced search in misc.fitness.weights. include the words "impure", "LPJ", and "biotest" and you will find plenty of posts where the makers of androsol slam Pat's 4AD)


You're welcome, Pat.

 

[latinus_spicticus]

Don't you want to comment on this, Pat.

Why do you not want to defend yourself and you "great" LPJ pure 4AD?

BWAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!