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Ianhockey91
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Djimbe,
Im very open minded and believe every art has an application but after veiwing the videos the wing chun just wouldnt be overly effective against an opponent who has some training, a lot of the stuff seemed to leave wing chun practitioner open to strikes and takedowns i mean a good judo/sambo/bjj practioner would be licking thier chops at the takedown opportunities. Good MT and San-shou guys would also love the clinch opportunities too. That being said it could work IMO but I think other arts are slightly more practical, not better but just more practical, and as we all know the person doing it is a big factor as well.
Im very open minded and believe every art has an application but after veiwing the videos the wing chun just wouldnt be overly effective against an opponent who has some training, a lot of the stuff seemed to leave wing chun practitioner open to strikes and takedowns i mean a good judo/sambo/bjj practioner would be licking thier chops at the takedown opportunities. Good MT and San-shou guys would also love the clinch opportunities too. That being said it could work IMO but I think other arts are slightly more practical, not better but just more practical, and as we all know the person doing it is a big factor as well.
Djimbe
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Well , I can show you some stuff when/if you come down here , Just Basics and Principles mind you , I dont have any Mats yet (YOWZA the $$$ - theyre going to ahve to come a few at a time , I think) But after understandingthe Physics its really just down to how each individual guy trains , how well and how often .
I mean , even in the Context of MMA ive seen PLENTY of ppl SAY that they were going to take this or that guy down only to get blasted in the face and kiss the mat ! Look at that 11 second KO the other day at the UFC thing !
At any rate look more closely at the Victor Gutierrez clip , he deals with Takedowns and espoecially SIngle/Double legs pretty effectively with his Rollthrough technique !
HOWEVER , any and all of that aside ...
Wich system can your Grandmother use Effectively ? Wich System can be used effectively by the common person ? Saying that this or that Olympic Level Badass or collegiate Champion whositz can do whatever they want to a guy that trains a couple times a week is great . But Im a Self Defense guy . Combat Sports to me are nothing but a fun way to kill time watching two other idiots beat on each other for too little money . Most guys dont even Recoup their Training costs .
And Ill just state flat out that I feel that Muay Thai is FAR Inferior in the Clinch and that Many San SHou fighters ARE Wing Chun ppl .. you have th Clinchwork of WC seriously underestimated , I think . San SHou is a ruleset that all CMA practitioners fight under .
I mean , even in the Context of MMA ive seen PLENTY of ppl SAY that they were going to take this or that guy down only to get blasted in the face and kiss the mat ! Look at that 11 second KO the other day at the UFC thing !
At any rate look more closely at the Victor Gutierrez clip , he deals with Takedowns and espoecially SIngle/Double legs pretty effectively with his Rollthrough technique !
HOWEVER , any and all of that aside ...
Wich system can your Grandmother use Effectively ? Wich System can be used effectively by the common person ? Saying that this or that Olympic Level Badass or collegiate Champion whositz can do whatever they want to a guy that trains a couple times a week is great . But Im a Self Defense guy . Combat Sports to me are nothing but a fun way to kill time watching two other idiots beat on each other for too little money . Most guys dont even Recoup their Training costs .
And Ill just state flat out that I feel that Muay Thai is FAR Inferior in the Clinch and that Many San SHou fighters ARE Wing Chun ppl .. you have th Clinchwork of WC seriously underestimated , I think . San SHou is a ruleset that all CMA practitioners fight under .
Djimbe
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Reakt said:
Are you really serious ? Or are you actually this Remedial ?
No , you saw some nice WING CHUN Knees and Elbows , thrown out of WING CHUN stancework with WING CHUN Power Generation ,WING CHUN Body Connectivity , WING CHUN Footwork and WING CHUN Followthrough .
Are you telling us that youre seriously so retarded that you think that out of the 5000 years that China has been a Society and that NOT ONE SINGLE CHINESE looked down at his Elbow or Knee and thought of it as a good thing to hit a guy with ? That they NEEDED the THAIS of all ppl to "SHow Them The Trick" ???
Are you KIDDING ME ???
And the fact that you cant see the difference between the way Thai Knees are thrown and the way these are is Pathetic . Im wagering Ive spent more time Training Muay Thai than you (about 4.5 years under various Kru - its just a popular art that I happen to be around a lot) , and Im a Certified Wing Chun Sifu . And I could write a BOOK on the differences in Power Generation between the Elbows , and why "The Five Flying Elbows" as theyre referred to in Cantonese are definately NOT Muay Thai .
Wing Chun is WORLD RENOWNED as "A Close Combat Infighting System" HOW can you have such a thing without Knees and Elbows ? The WC Clinch game is SO much Deeper than Muay Thai's that its Pathetic .
HAHAHAHA ! You Think that "Hit The Guy From On Top !" is some BRILLIANT Idea that ONLY BJJ could come up with ??? ARE YOU SERIOUS ? DUDE , Im laughing do Hard Im crying at this post , you HAVE to be Trolling , God I seriously hope so , this is the funniest thing Ive seen in at LEAST 2 years !
HAHAHAH ! Yes , another thing BJJ Invented , CHOKING ! Wait , let me guess , they invented the Armbar too , right ??? Then go watch "Enter THe Dragon" . Bolo Yeung A TAI CHI MASTER Puts a guy away with one in one of the preleminary Fights . And this was MORE than 2 Decades before "UFC 1"
So , to Recap :
NO Culture Invented Knees
NO Culture Invented Choking
NO Culture invented Elbowing
What the Hell did youy think Chinese Martial Artists fought with , their Butts ?
Im serious , what did you think ?
B0ARDIN087
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please move your gym to pittsburgh so i can train there this summer, thanks!Djimbe said:
B0ARDIN087
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the only thing i can see that was the same technique as MT would be the way he blocks kicks..... the elbows are definately different and the knees are miles differentReakt said:
Djimbe
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!
Thats the funniest thing iVe head all day ! Thats Awesome ! Tere are some Cool Ppl in Pittsburgh though if you want their Information , man . Sigung Black teaches on Campus :
http://www.ghosthand.org/GhostHandMain.html Hes a Refreshing Voice and very Serious about what it is that he does .
Another Good Teacher in Town :
http://www.negogato.org
The above ppl arent Trendy , and they arent Flash-In-The-Pan , but theyve been doing great things with Good people for a LONG time .
And any time youre in Allentown after Im up and running Please stop by !
Thats the funniest thing iVe head all day ! Thats Awesome ! Tere are some Cool Ppl in Pittsburgh though if you want their Information , man . Sigung Black teaches on Campus :
http://www.ghosthand.org/GhostHandMain.html Hes a Refreshing Voice and very Serious about what it is that he does .
Another Good Teacher in Town :
http://www.negogato.org
The above ppl arent Trendy , and they arent Flash-In-The-Pan , but theyve been doing great things with Good people for a LONG time .
And any time youre in Allentown after Im up and running Please stop by !
Ianhockey91
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I see your point about wing chun san shou connection, I just find a lot of the stuff not working against a trained opp in most cases. That being said most guys on the street arent really trained, in addition a lot of my mentality comes from mma which isnt helping here. Eh i guess crosstraining never hurts though and these MA's do have a solid basis despite what many think.
tin2
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Ianhockey91 said:
IMO ..I agree with the wing tsun not being effective on someone with trainning ..It actually originated in china by women. In the first video the opponant is just walking into all the attacks..I took that before and left , didnt like it .. But the wooden dummy is pretty fun to work on, and wing tsun martial artists are pretty damn fast. In the earlier years of the UFC a few wing tsun masters entered and didnt last 2 min. against Muay thai and bjj fighters though.. (no offence if this is ur stuff mang)
B0ARDIN087
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Djimbe said:
ya ill have to see, im at psu right now doing smoe bjj and kickboxing (not full MT but mostly) stuff for real cheap for a club sport here. the teacher is a bjj black belt soi know he has like 10+ years experience. hes good and the training is good and intense, lots of sparring and overall a good time. but nexty year im going to try to find a more competitive gym to train..... but for now its a good start to bjj
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Djimbe
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From another Board - 1 & 5 are the ILL shit !
SC1 (demo by my SC brother) is a good example of "sticky" principle (Is it the same as Taiji principle?).
SC2 is my favor "leg twisting" move. Lot of "tearing" was used here.
SC3 is a counter by using "run down" principle.
SC4 is how a SC guy deals with "leg shooter".
SC5 is a combo.
There are all my students so I don't have to worry about who win and who lose.
Enjoy it and provide your comment.
http://johnswang.com/sc1.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc2.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc3.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc4.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc5.wmv
SC1 (demo by my SC brother) is a good example of "sticky" principle (Is it the same as Taiji principle?).
SC2 is my favor "leg twisting" move. Lot of "tearing" was used here.
SC3 is a counter by using "run down" principle.
SC4 is how a SC guy deals with "leg shooter".
SC5 is a combo.
There are all my students so I don't have to worry about who win and who lose.
Enjoy it and provide your comment.
http://johnswang.com/sc1.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc2.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc3.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc4.wmv
http://johnswang.com/sc5.wmv
B0ARDIN087
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my class is at penn state not pittsburgh, but in pittsbrugh there is a bjj gym called steel city martial arts or iron city martial arts...... google for it. also i trained muay thai at a place called fire dragon something something, they also taught some form of kung fuDjimbe said:
heres the info to some place that IS at penn state and is supposedly pretty good. Dont have the money or desire to go there now as im training hard enough for now where i am.
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