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This question has probably been answered. I have done an advanced platinum search and found everything on ECA stack except whether or not it can be taken always non-stop, or should it be cycled on/off. what is the justification for either answer?
ECA Stack
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the elite addict
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cycle. 6 weeks max. Your body will devolop a tolerence to it after a period of time.
I run 3 weeks on 1 week off. 32mg/200mg/81mg 2 times a day. Once in AM and again 4 hours later.
Don't run it permamnently - you'll burn yourself out and when you do come off you'll feel like a 125lb wimp - I learned the hard way. I makes your adrenal gland lazy if overused - then you can't produce adrenalin naturally and everything really sucks when that happens.
Don't run it permamnently - you'll burn yourself out and when you do come off you'll feel like a 125lb wimp - I learned the hard way. I makes your adrenal gland lazy if overused - then you can't produce adrenalin naturally and everything really sucks when that happens.
Wow. Sounds harsh on your body. Is there scientific proof that your body builds a tolerance to it though?
GUARDIAN said:
Isn't benadryl a sedative though?
GUARDIAN said:
So technically, you CAN take ECA indefinately if you take benadryl or smthg similar? I'm getting mixed msgs here bro....
hurricane187 said:
Alright cool....
So 3 weeks on, one week off is good?
Faizakafez
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the_alcatraz said:
do 3 on 1 off
trust me on this one..
you will build tolerence to the ephedrine. ITs similar to like No-xplode after 2 scoops isnt doing anything for you.. u have to take more..
but yup 3 on 1 off..
702daswoll1
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centy said:
+1.. I live on Benadryl when im running a heavy cycle. Cant sleep without it.
Mavafanculo
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Ephedrine is a beta-adrenergic AGONIST, which is the key to why you eventually burn out out it (build a tolerence).
An antagonist would merely block the recptor and this effect can continue indefinitely -
An agonist is causing the body to do something it wouldnt ordinalrily do absent the agonist (in this case release norepinephrine) thus the eventual burn out.
dont know if there are any studys documenting burnout, but it is common experience for users to report diminished effectiveness over time if no break is taken ( based on the boards anyway).. so its at least Bro-ology lol
An antagonist would merely block the recptor and this effect can continue indefinitely -
An agonist is causing the body to do something it wouldnt ordinalrily do absent the agonist (in this case release norepinephrine) thus the eventual burn out.
dont know if there are any studys documenting burnout, but it is common experience for users to report diminished effectiveness over time if no break is taken ( based on the boards anyway).. so its at least Bro-ology lol
u r correct it is an agonist but it still like clen works on the beta receptors and can cause downregulation of receptors making clen (and roids for that matter if running simultaneously) less effective. clen is specific to beta-2 while ephedrine works on both alpha and beta. one of the effects of ephedrine is one of the chief beta-2 agonists, adrenaline. even after it loses its effect on the beta-2 receptors it will still act on alpha and beta-1,3. so it will still be somewhat effective but based on personal experience significantly less.
Mavafanculo said:
just use lipoflame and amp02 and be done with it. much smoother.
DJLegacy2k1
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If i run my ECA stack, I do 1 week ECA 1 week Lipoflame.
Or I just alternate days and such. I change it up each time I run ECA, just use Lipoflame as your "bridge".
-Legacy
Or I just alternate days and such. I change it up each time I run ECA, just use Lipoflame as your "bridge".
-Legacy
DJLegacy2k1 said:
agree. the more you change-up the better.
ECA SPECIFICALLY should not be run for extended periods...
Ephendrine is available in a pure(ish) form from most sleazy gas stations and is a "bronchiodiolator"
Caffeine is easy enough... I think $4 for 80 tabs at walmart (is that price talk?? LOL)
The aspirin part is where it gets tricky... most people would take this stack twice to three times per day... Do some googling on how long you should be taking aspirin at 975MG PER DAY! The stack is set up for 325mg aspirin with each dose, the 80mg wont achieve the same effect, and that high of a dose is a baaaad idea.
I have substituted Yohimbine bark extract that is standardized to 6mg yohimbe. This can be taken for much longer periods of time.
As far as cycling goes, I do also agree that it is in general a good idea to cycle supps because your body does build a tolerance... Find another one you like, and take them 2 weeks each... Personally I love Redline, Ive tried others (many) but that one just does it for me.
Ephendrine is available in a pure(ish) form from most sleazy gas stations and is a "bronchiodiolator"
Caffeine is easy enough... I think $4 for 80 tabs at walmart (is that price talk?? LOL)
The aspirin part is where it gets tricky... most people would take this stack twice to three times per day... Do some googling on how long you should be taking aspirin at 975MG PER DAY! The stack is set up for 325mg aspirin with each dose, the 80mg wont achieve the same effect, and that high of a dose is a baaaad idea.
I have substituted Yohimbine bark extract that is standardized to 6mg yohimbe. This can be taken for much longer periods of time.
As far as cycling goes, I do also agree that it is in general a good idea to cycle supps because your body does build a tolerance... Find another one you like, and take them 2 weeks each... Personally I love Redline, Ive tried others (many) but that one just does it for me.
Donnie Darko
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Running it for a very long or indefinite period of time would cause the adrenals to become sluggish, which I think it was Rudy that mentioned that. Normally, any exogenous substance that you consume to make your body do something will cause tolerance to be built up by the body. Any drugs and alcohol can cause a tolerance to be built. Even bacteria and possibly the body's immune system can develop tolerance to overuse of antibiotics--hence the superbugs.
Gonnorhea is now a superbug. All can say about that is, "Good for gonnorhea. It has gotten such a bad rap and now it's super."
Gonnorhea is now a superbug. All can say about that is, "Good for gonnorhea. It has gotten such a bad rap and now it's super."
Donnie Darko said:Running it for a very long or indefinite period of time would cause the adrenals to become sluggish, which I think it was Rudy that mentioned that. Normally, any exogenous substance that you consume to make your body do something will cause tolerance to be built up by the body. Any drugs and alcohol can cause a tolerance to be built. Even bacteria and possibly the body's immune system can develop tolerance to overuse of antibiotics--hence the superbugs.
Gonnorhea is now a superbug. All can say about that is, "Good for gonnorhea. It has gotten such a bad rap and now it's super."
Donnie which one of your products would you suggest as an alternative to an eca?
Donnie Darko said:Running it for a very long or indefinite period of time would cause the adrenals to become sluggish, which I think it was Rudy that mentioned that. Normally, any exogenous substance that you consume to make your body do something will cause tolerance to be built up by the body. Any drugs and alcohol can cause a tolerance to be built. Even bacteria and possibly the body's immune system can develop tolerance to overuse of antibiotics--hence the superbugs.
Gonnorhea is now a superbug. All can say about that is, "Good for gonnorhea. It has gotten such a bad rap and now it's super."
I just wanna say personally, I applaud you making a post, in a thread where you could easily come in and Immediately pimp your product, and you didnt do that... You answered the question honestly and someone can easily see in your link the products you sell and go from there. Thank you, Im sure many others appreciate it also.
get456 said:
yea, instead I pimp it, but i am actually curious because after my bout w/t-3 (i was an idiot) I limit myself to otc products.
Donnie Darko
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I would recommend XPLOSIVE BURN out of my products and possibly CARDIO HEAT. Both should amp up some energy levels without making a person feel jittery and where ephedra acts in a way to be an additional epinephrine introduced from the outside, the other products are designed to stimulate epinephrine release from the adrenals. XPLOSIVE BURN has ingredients that aid the body to burn fat in a myriad of ways from stimulating epinephrine release to increasing intracellular levels of c-AMP and can increase thyroid hormone levels and release. The CARDIO HEAT can increase metabolism and the grape seed extract in it has been showing in later research that it can act as an anti-aromatase. Someone just recently mentioned in a thread about grapeseed extract having anti-aromatase properties, but I can't remember who it was or which thread.eddymerckx said:
Before I forget, any product can cause a tolerance to be built and my products could be ran for longer periods more safely, but not indefinitely.
Thank you all for your kind inputs. I feel quite informed about the ECA stack as a result of this thread
rudy76 said:
It always causes me headaches. I take it because it's so fuckin effective
Donnie Darko
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When Xenadrine was chock full of ephedra I used to eat that like candy. I think I lived on Xenadrine for several months and up to a year until I noticed I started having blood pressure issues and the positive effects were no longer noticeable to me. I really should have known better.rudy76 said:
Yeah definitely gotta cycle ECA. I cycled it for six weeks w/ weekends off in theory to decrease tolerance and still noticed that when I came of completely my adrenals were less inclined to release adrenaline. that was about 6 weeks ago and I feel I'm fully recovered. It was worth it because I had no previous tolerance and when I ran it it was in conjuction with Tren Ace and T3.
Along with the Tren It was a good combo for when you are determined to put on as much muscle and or lose as much fat as possible while on the cycle. Aggresiveness in the gym an my focus and strength went way up. After about 5 weeks my girlfriend put her hands on my chest and was like, "You are different, You're like really big and strong now." I just laughed. ECA is good, I think it is best to start while on a good cycle because if you don't have a tolerance to the ECA STack and you start while on a good cycle you will blow up because your concentration is more focused and in conjuction with the AAS a synergistic effect occurs with motivation, concentration, strength, dedication, etc. I am a noob, but I do know from experience that next time make the commitment to tren Ace I'm gonna incorporate the eca again.
Along with the Tren It was a good combo for when you are determined to put on as much muscle and or lose as much fat as possible while on the cycle. Aggresiveness in the gym an my focus and strength went way up. After about 5 weeks my girlfriend put her hands on my chest and was like, "You are different, You're like really big and strong now." I just laughed. ECA is good, I think it is best to start while on a good cycle because if you don't have a tolerance to the ECA STack and you start while on a good cycle you will blow up because your concentration is more focused and in conjuction with the AAS a synergistic effect occurs with motivation, concentration, strength, dedication, etc. I am a noob, but I do know from experience that next time make the commitment to tren Ace I'm gonna incorporate the eca again.
the_alcatraz said:
You can feel it yourself after 2-3 months. I usually run one cycle of it a year, I'll stay on it for about 10 weeks.
RearNaked said:
I'm back up to 12% BF bro. I keep eating like a beast.
Mavafanculo
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GUARDIAN said:
just to clarify:
Ephedrine works on the Adrenergic receptors. ( alpha and beta )
Steroids work on the Androgen receptors.
Ephedrine will not downregulate androgen receptors or affect a cycle in that way. It's a different set of receptors.
Mavafanculo
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GUARDIAN said:
thats Clen, not ephedrine.
clen is thought to bind to some androgen receptors, ephedrine does not.
btw, I didnt read ^ that link - I know that clen causes downregulation of testicular androgen receptors, but as of the time of the studys I read (a year ago maybe) it wasnt known if the same applied to androgen receptors in muscle tissue elsewhere. does the study ^^ say anything different?
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I fi can't ride soon my bf % will be 110%--my fat will have fat--i might actually have to start lifting heavy again....like i can afford new suits
Mavafanculo
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eddymerckx said:
110% BF lol -- the mind boggles
while I love ECA, I dont like it during bulking. get some green tea extract (vitaminshoppe) -- amazingly effective at helping keep off new fat and burning down what you have.
oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh we have a new mod? Has he been hazed yet?
Mavafanculo said:
Dammit, your post got in the way! I was talking about Eddy.
Mavafanculo
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PuddleMonkey said:
if by hazed, you mean him and all the other mods serially plat-bombing you, then no
Mavafanculo said:if by hazed, you mean him and all the other mods serially plat-bombing you, then no
RearNaked said:
I was 16% BF in my avatar only, not 20% lol...I have never had more than 16% BF in my body.
Mavafanculo said:if by hazed, you mean him and all the other mods serially plat-bombing you, then no
lmao
Mavafanculo
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OMEGA said:
and anything Omega puts out I would trust enough implicitely to try
Mavafanculo said:
+1
Mavafanculo said:
agree--and i did, and quite happy with my lipoflame Amp02. one honest bro.
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