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Eating to Grow

theoak01

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This is something buyb12 posted on another thread and I thought it was to valueable not to have a thread of its own.

so for the newbies here wanting to try gear read this and see why you may not be growing

Eat To Grow

EAT TO GROW
What if I told you your success or failure in the gym has very little to do with what you do in the gym. You would probably look at me like I was crazy. Guess what, nutrition is by far the most important factor to making progress on any fitness program. Why have the so called "experts" made nutrition so confusing? I am going to attempt to take some of the confusion out of this subject and simplify things for you. First, lets start off by getting rid of the word "nutrition" and call it eating.

HOW MUCH SHOULD I BE EATING?

The first determination we need to make is how many calories should we be consuming each day? Unfortunately, everybody does not have the same caloric demands. Therefore, we must come up with a caloric figure to meet your specific demands. To determine what your caloric intake should be, simply take your current body weight and multiply by 12. The number you get will be the amount of calories you need to maintain your current weight (assuming you are training regularly). If you would like to gain weight, simply multiply your current body weight by a factor of 15. If you would like to lose some weight, simply multiply your body weight by a factor of 10. (Example: Maintenance, 200lb male X 12 = 2400 calories per day).

Remember, everybody has a different metabolism. Therefore, you may need to adjust these factors slightly to fit your specific demands. Basically, these figures serve as an ideal starting point to figure out what your personal caloric demands are.

HOW MANY GRAMS OF PROTEIN, CARBOHYDRATES AND FAT?

I am a strong proponent of the high protein, low carbohydrate and low fat way of eating. I even go as far as putting some of my clients on regimens consisting of 60% protein, 30% carbohydrate and 10% fat. For purposes of this article I will suggest that 50% of your calories come from protein, 30% from carbohydrates and 20% from fat. A gram of protein is equal to 4 calories and a gram of carbohydrate is also equal to 4 calories. Each gram of fat is equal to 9 calories. Now, take the above formula and figure out how many grams of protein, carbohydrates and protein you should be consuming each day. (Example: Maintenance, 200lb man requires 2400 calories, 300 grams of protein, 180 grams of carbohydrate, 53 grams of fat).

WHEN DO I EAT MY MEALS?

I suggest that you consume a meal every two and a half to three hours throughout the day. The easiest way to calculate when to eat your meals is to plan it out in advance. Therefore, write down what time it will be three hours from your first meal (breakfast) and then every three hours thereafter. Basically what I am saying is to eat when the clock tells you to, not when your stomach tells you. (Example: If you ate breakfast at 8:00 a.m., your next meals would be at 11:00 a.m., 2:00 p.m., 5:00p.m. and 8:00 p.m.). Attempt to eat each meal using the 50% protein, 30% carbohydrates and 20% fat breakdown. Also, if your caloric demand is roughly 2400 calories per day try to get in about 500 calories at each meal. Eating in this manner makes it very easy to stay disciplined.

WHAT ARE THE BEST THINGS TO EAT?

I guess this one depends upon what you like to eat. Remember, I am trying to make this eating concept easy for you. First, let me give you some examples of what protein, carbohydrates and fats are. Examples of good protein include: red meat, fish, chicken, turkey, milk, eggs and whey. Examples of carbohydrates include: rice, potatoes, breads, grains, fruits and vegetables. Examples of good fats include: flax seed oil, safflower oil, borage seed oil, fish oil, conjugated lineic acid and MCT oil. Obviously there are many more examples of the food groups I have mentioned, however, these are the most common.

Using the foods I have mentioned above in the right quantity would give you all you ever needed to succeed in the gym. The problem is preparing food during your busy day is not convenient. Therefore the solution is using meal replacement powders. These powders come in convenient packs, are easily mixed with water and the nutritional breakdown is great. There are many companies such as Met Rx, Myoplex, Perfect Rx and Rx Fuel which make decent meal replacement s. I highly recommend that you incorporate one of these products into your daily eating program. I suggest eating three regular food meals and two meal replacement s per day. If you are trying to lose weight you may want to eat three meal replacement s and two regular food meals. If you are trying to gain weight you may try eating three regular meals and three or even four meal replacement s.

MEAL SUGGESTIONS

The most common complaint about eating properly is not having enough time to prepare good meals. We have already discussed the convenience of meal replacement powders, so I will give you some dishes that are easy and enjoyable. I usually start my day off with a bowl of oatmeal mixed with egg whites, a scoop of whey protein powder, and a tablespoon of flaxseed oil. To spice it up I will add apple filling, cinnamon or equal packets. This recipe is quick, easy, tastes good and yields about 50 grams of protein (8 egg whites and one scoop of whey protein), 35 grams of carbs, 14 grams of fat (flaxseed oil) and roughly 500 calories. As you can see, this concoction fits exactly into my nutritional profile.

Another meal I eat frequently for lunch or dinner is a mixture of white rice, boiled egg whites and tuna (chicken may be substituted). I simply cook about 3 oz. of white rice and boil six eggs. I mix the rice together with six egg whites and one yolk. I then add in a can of white chunk tuna, flaxseed oil and some garlic powder (or your favorite spice). This recipe yields about 60 grams of protein, 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of fat and roughly 500 calories.

THINGS TO AVOID WHEN EATING

NOT GETTING ENOUGH PROTEIN

Protein is essential in your quest to build quality muscle. The question is how much protein should you be consuming? A good rule of thumb is to consume 1.5 - 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. The easiest way to get enough protein into your body is with a good whey protein supplement. In addition to your meals, mix two scoops of whey protein with some water. Also, try to mix up your protein sources throughout the day. For example, eat tuna at one meal, chicken at the next and eggs at the next meal. No matter what you do, consume at least your minimum protein requirement everyday.

NOT GETTING ENOUGH WATER

Try to sip on water constantly throughout the day. Water may be the most underrated piece of the bodybuilding puzzle. As we know, the body is made up of approximately 67% water. Water is desperately needed to cleanse the body and help to regenerate muscle cells. As a rule of thumb, try to consume at least one gallon of water per day.

NOT KEEPING A DAILY JOURNAL

The first thing I tell my bodybuilding clients is to write down everything that goes into their body. Writing down what you eat is the only way to analyze any changes that need to be made for future progress. It is very hard to make changes in your diet if you don't know what time you eat, what kind of protein you eat and how many grams of protein, carbs, fats and calories you are ingesting. The more detailed your log is, the easier it will be for you to go back and analyze it.

TOO MANY SIMPLE CARBOHYDRATES

Yes you need carbohydrates in your body. The question becomes are all carbs created equal. The answer is no. Without getting into too much detail, simple carbs cause a high insulin spike because they have a high glycemic index. This is usually not a good thing when trying to keep fat off of your body. Simple carbs are basically your sugars, sweets and fruits. Try to stick to carbs like potatoes, rice and vegetables. The best time to consume simple carbs is within two hours after training. During this period your muscles are very receptive to simple sugars.

NOT CONSUMING ENOUGH GOOD FAT

Yes, you read that correctly. Fat is not always the enemy. There is nothing wrong with consuming moderate amounts of fat in your diet. In fact, research has shown that fat is essential to growth, recovery, skin and connective tissue. A good rule of thumb is to stay away from hydrogenated oils, "shelf oils" and vegetable oils. These are the fats found in potato chips and snacks. Also, limit your saturated fat intake to that which is found naturally in the protein you eat. Finally, make sure you are getting a sufficient amount of essential fatty acids in your diet. Try to add a tablespoon of flaxseed oil to your protein shakes or meals.

DON'T WAIT ANOTHER MINUTE

What are you doing? You should be looking at the clock to see if it is time to eat again. As I stated earlier, eating is the key to your success or failure in the gym. Once you begin to gain more of an understanding of what your body's demands are, you will be able to customize a more intricate eating plan for yourself. For now, keep a detailed journal and watch your body change for the better

Hopefully this will make some newbies think before turning to gear .
 
"TOO MANY SIMPLE CARBOHYDRATES

Yes you need carbohydrates in your body. The question becomes are all carbs created equal. The answer is no. Without getting into too much detail, simple carbs cause a high insulin spike because they have a high glycemic index. This is usually not a good thing when trying to keep fat off of your body. "






This, in my opinion, is bullshit. Decide whether you are cutting or bulking. If you are bulking, resign yourself to the fact that you must gain fat in order to gain large amounts of muscle mass.

You need overall calories for maximum growth. If your concern is "Oh dear, I think I may be consuming too many simple carbs during this bulk cycle" then you're way off track and I think you have your head up your ass, and I mean that in the nicest, most scholarly way possible.

Remember, the title of this is "Eating to Grow."
 
slobberknocker said:
If your concern is "Oh dear, I think I may be consuming too many simple carbs during this bulk cycle" then you're way off track and I think you have your head up your ass, and I mean that in the nicest, most scholarly way possible.

Remember, the title of this is "Eating to Grow."

Very nice way of putting it. LOL

C-ditty
 
Come on, not all carbs are the same. Eating brown rice and drinking kool-aid isn't the same at all. You must gain some fat when bulking but not turn into a fat ass. I agree that you need lots of calories and cutting back on carbs will hurt your gains. I would suggest eating as much meat for protien as possible supplemented by protien shakes and loads of potatoes and rice for carbs.
 
99 times out of a 100 when I hear a guy say he bought "fake" juice... I ask him how much he's been eating. The answer is almost always the same.
 
Scroll up and look at that thread with pics of Gunther at 334. He didn't get that big by watching his simple carb intake. And don't even say steroids...


If you want to be 270 lean, why is everyone taking these little baby steps to get there? Eat everything in sight, and train heavy with low volume and progressive resistance. Blow up and be chubby at 320. THEN start counting your simple carbs, etc. Diet down and be a lean monster.

It takes YEARS to bulk. It takes a few months to cut.
 
slobberknocker said:
Scroll up and look at that thread with pics of Gunther at 334. He didn't get that big by watching his simple carb intake. And don't even say steroids...


If you want to be 270 lean, why is everyone taking these little baby steps to get there? Eat everything in sight, and train heavy with low volume and progressive resistance. Blow up and be chubby at 320. THEN start counting your simple carbs, etc. Diet down and be a lean monster.

It takes YEARS to bulk. It takes a few months to cut.
:mix: ok very tru ...but if that person doesn`t want to get all that big but yet want some size then you could be smart about it . yes you got to eat big to get big and some fat will come along the way it natrual..but if u want to see your dick or your toes i suggest that u eat as clean as posible...but now if you want to look like the pros then you got to eat big real big and plenty of rest:alien:
 
damn.... for a 200lb male to maintain weight he only needs 2400 calories? It seems like this amount would be too low, maybe not.
 
read the last line of my post,this was mainly geared towards newbies who want on the juice wagon without getting diet in check first,I was there before aswell and I admit that,although I did have alot more knowledge on gear I still started to young,I just want other new guys to step back and look at their diet, this is by no means geared towards a advanced lifter who has a way different diet
 
IrishMobBoss,

Based on this post if I want to shed BF I would need to:

Weight= 268

Total cals = 2680cals per day

60% Pro= 1608 cals / 402 grams

30% Carb = 804 cal / 201 grams

10% Fat = 268 cal / 30 grams


Does that look right? Because if it is I need to add both protein and carbohydrates to my diet................

Thanks for your advice and response in advanced,

Chunky
 
funny how all these newbies jump up and say something about a post which I directed at newbie.s,if your 268 you dont need my advice,this is a post from a member at another board who I think did a good job on this article. and it was intended to get newbies and to think before jumping on gear,and maybe they will realize diet is the most important thing
 
Irish,

I am 268; but, still need all the help I can get. I consider myself to be a newbi to lifting and eating right. I have not used the shit yet; but, I want to. I would like to loss BF before I use anything hard. I am at ruffly 21% BF.................................

Do my numbers look right? Do you think I would benifit from CKD diet?

Thanks man,

Chunky.................
 
Endomorphs eating?

What kind of eating/diet plan would be recommened for a true endomorph? It seems all weight I put on goes straight to my stomach. Sure I want to grow, and I know I need the cals to do it, but what do you endomorphs eat?
 
It takes YEARS to bulk. It takes a few months to cut.....

LOL, i thought it was the other way around. I have a fast metabolism and i can get fatt-ass on simple carbs in less that few month looking like a barrel. If i wanted to cut up i have to bust my ass and at the end still having those fucking love handles no matter what. No thanks, i rather gain slowly without the simple carbs. Nugh said.
 
Eating to grow:

Start at a base of 15 cals. x bodyweight. Eg. 200lbs = 3000 cals/day

50 percent of calories coming from Protien
25 percent of calories coming from Carbohydrates
25 percent of calories coming from Fat

If you start to get fat cut calories starting with carbohydrates. If you aren't gaining weight up calories (protien and carbs in an equal ratio) Play around with your diet until you find what works best for you.
 
Good thread.

IMO if you want to MAXIMIZE gains you have to gain fat. Unless you're extremely lean naturally. In that case you can go fuck yourself :D
 
Chunky a ckd may be something you should try, I really cant speak for your body, for me ckd makes me bitchy and I usually get the flu a week in and I drag ass at everything, so that for me isnt a option. just play around with that diet and if it doesnt work try low fat mod carbs high protein, if that doesnt work try another cutting diet until you find one that works. I must have tried 3 or 4 ways to cut that didnt suit what my body needed and now I found what works for me after 5 years of lifting and nutrition.
 
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