Dosage is body weight dependent?

[vio]

Would you say that a newbie weighing 300lbs (hypotetically) would need a higher dose of test than one at 150lbs? And if that is the case, how come? Or why not?

 

[nutsnack]

Would you say that a newbie weighing 300lbs (hypotetically) would need a higher dose of test than one at 150lbs? And if that is the case, how come? Or why not?

no thats stupid.. 1st cycle 500mg is good.. what is ure BF% if u are hypotetically 300lbs and 25% BF roids will do u no good maybe make u fatter

 

[Makavelli]

No. Human males produce anywhere from 300 ng/dl to 1000 ng/dl. It doesn't matter what size the person is. So elevating your test beyond that will cause gains. I also agree that if your bf % is high, above 16%, to diet down to 10% before starting a cycle.

 

[vio]

hehe.. that was not my thought, but ok.
What I mean is, is dosage effect somehow related to body weight? Will a big guy need more steroids than a small guy to obtain a similar effect, if all other variables like diet and reseptor saturation are equal?

 

[vio]

No. Human males produce anywhere from 300 ng/dl to 1000 ng/dl. It doesn't matter what size the person is. So elevating your test beyond that will cause gains. I also agree that if your bf % is high, above 16%, to diet down to 10% before starting a cycle.

Ok, that was what I needed to hear!
The argument was wether a guy @90kgs would be better off starting at 250 or 500, concidering that his friends got great results doing only 250 (@70kgs bw)

 

[lefler]

No. Human males produce anywhere from 300 ng/dl to 1000 ng/dl. It doesn't matter what size the person is. So elevating your test beyond that will cause gains. I also agree that if your bf % is high, above 16%, to diet down to 10% before starting a cycle.

So let me get this strait... if you bf% is above 16% you shouldn’t do a cycle?? What about NFL lineman? Their BF% is clearly above 16% in many cases... and I'm sure it works for them.

All I’m saying is if you are looking for athletic performance it really doesn’t matter what your bf% is because it will make you much stronger... if you are looking to be cut as hell, yeah maybe you should lower the body fat first. But even if you are looking for just shear size above 16% is fine.

 

[lefler]

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[nutsnack]

So let me get this strait... if you bf% is above 16% you shouldn’t do a cycle?? What about NFL lineman? Their BF% is clearly above 16% in many cases... and I'm sure it works for them.

All I’m saying is if you are looking for athletic performance it really doesn’t matter what your bf% is because it will make you much stronger... if you are looking to be cut as hell, yeah maybe you should lower the body fat first. But even if you are looking for just shear size above 16% is fine.

this is true for athletic performance BUT they are mostly getting strength off their cycle.. i kindof stereotype all steroid cycles as the user wanting to lean out while bulking b/c thats what i do.. i never think about the NFL offensive linemen

 

[Makavelli]

So let me get this strait... if you bf% is above 16% you shouldn’t do a cycle?? What about NFL lineman? Their BF% is clearly above 16% in many cases... and I'm sure it works for them.

All I’m saying is if you are looking for athletic performance it really doesn’t matter what your bf% is because it will make you much stronger... if you are looking to be cut as hell, yeah maybe you should lower the body fat first. But even if you are looking for just shear size above 16% is fine.

I don't think the poster is an NFL linemen... . I'm referring to everyday rec users here, not a 325 lb. behemoth that's been juicing since he was 12.

If you don't think excess BF causes additional sides, then try getting fat and doing a cycle. You'll see that your gains are better and estrogen sides are much less when you are leaner.

 

[martin uk]

I think this is a valid question and one I have often thought about.

Does a 10 stoner need less juice then a 17 stones with a comparable amount of bodyfat and cycle history?

 

[nutsnack]

1 what the fuck is a stone compared to lbs and 2 does everyone in GB repeat the question that was just asked and answered just to justify the original answer?

 

[Makavelli]

I think this is a valid question and one I have often thought about.

Does a 10 stoner need less juice then a 17 stones with a comparable amount of bodyfat and cycle history?

I answered the original question in my first post.

 

[dosteov]

Weight is dependent for EQ and likely other steroids as well...

In the case of boldenone (Equipoise), the length of administration resulting in excessive and dangerous red blood cell count was dose dependent. Most have shown only acceptable upregulation at dosages of 200-400mg/w (@ 1-2mg per pound of bodyweight) for up to 12 weeks. However, dosages of 600-800mg/w (3-4mg per pound of body weight) usually resulted in exceeding the upper "safer" levels for red blood cell count after only 4-6 weeks of employment. This is a real concern. Red blood cell count elevation can result in blood clots, strokes and circulatory depreciation.

 

[martin uk]

To clarify 14lbs equals a stone. Believe it or not other countries do things differently to the US.

I was just commenting that this question to a less experienced user is probably one which they too have wondered about.

Perhaps a friendlier less confrontational reponse would be of a benefit to everyone. ( Referring to Nutsack)
Just a thought

 

[Makavelli]

To clarify 14lbs equals a stone. Believe it or not other countries do things differently to the US.

I was just commenting that this question to a less experienced user is probably one which they too have wondered about.

Perhaps a friendlier less confrontational reponse would be of a benefit to everyone. ( Referring to Nutsack)
Just a thought

LMFAO! . Good post bro. It's amazing how many people in the US assume everyone does everything the same.

 

[dosteov]

1 what the fuck is a stone compared to lbs and 2 does everyone in GB repeat the question that was just asked and answered just to justify the original answer?

Justify the original answer doesn't make sense. I think you meant CLARIFY.

If you're going to criticize, please do it with correct grammar.

 

[nutsnack]

Justify the original answer doesn't make sense. I think you meant CLARIFY.

If you're going to criticize, please do it with correct grammar.

no actually justify has several meanings and i was using in terms of to justify something as in even the lines in a margin!

 

[silverbackn]

I don't think the poster is an NFL linemen... . I'm referring to everyday rec users here, not a 325 lb. behemoth that's been juicing since he was 12.

If you don't think excess BF causes additional sides, then try getting fat and doing a cycle. You'll see that your gains are better and estrogen sides are much less when you are leaner.

Once again, I'm in total agreement with Mak. My bodyfat was never over 12% and I could tell a difference in the way I felt versus being around 7-8% running the exact same thing.

 

[silverbackn]

Now this thread has turned into a pissing contest, I'm out.

 

[lefler]

First of all guys I’m not talking about just NFL lineman...wow. I was using this as an example. My point was to say that just because you are over 16% doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use.

This guy might not be a NFL lineman but he very well might be a collegiate athlete of some kind. Football player, a thrower, ect.

Anyway can any of you guys give any real evidence of why it works better at below 16%?? What is the physiological reason for it? Or are you just stating your opinion?

 

[Makavelli]

First of all guys I’m not talking about just NFL lineman...wow. I was using this as an example. My point was to say that just because you are over 16% doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use.

This guy might not be a NFL lineman but he very well might be a collegiate athlete of some kind. Football player, a thrower, ect.

Anyway can any of you guys give any real evidence of why it works better at below 16%?? What is the physiological reason for it? Or are you just stating your opinion?

Sure. It's known fact of physiology that body fat will cause test to aromatize to estrogen. In turn this causes more fat gain, water rention, gyno, etc.

 

[silverbackn]

Mak is right. I'm suprised more people aren't aware of this. Don't mean to seem condescending, i just thought this was pretty much common information in our culture.

 

[slat1]

For myself. I don't touch anything if I am over 10%. I do that because I haven't shown the dedication to get the results I want if I can't keep my diet strait. That is just me though...

 

[Makavelli]

Mak is right. I'm suprised more people aren't aware of this. Don't mean to seem condescending, i just thought this was pretty much common information in our culture.

Unfortunately in this industry very little is common sense. People believe in myths, instead of science and fact. I'm not putting anyone down here either. I'm just stating that word of mouth rules the industry.

 

[silverbackn]

Unfortunately in this industry very little is common sense. People believe in myths, instead of science and fact. I'm not putting anyone down here either. I'm just stating that word of mouth rules the industry.

This is very true! Unfortunately if enough people believe in a fallacy everyone starts believing it. The worst part is that word of mouth is often quiet distorted .

 

[xtc88]

i think lot here talk about something they dont know .. how can someone who had never been over 20% BF can said you will get father with the juice if your fat or not.. stupid.. really , off course if your 325pound with 25%+ bf(there a reason for that) and you keep the same lifestyle(wich bring you to that bf %) you will defenetly get fatter day after day ... but if your like me , change your life style , for at least 6month(to see if you serious or not) and train 5 week a day , do some cardio , diet properly , the juice will DEFETLY help keep , even gain some muscle will burning the fat...

i did start 6month ago at 353pound with LOT of fat , i was 48 waist pant... am getting stronger everyweek , am now 40waist pant , 297pound , and am at least twice as strong then i was 1/2 year ago... so PLEASE dont talk if you dont know what your talking about!

the key is defenitly the traing and the diet... as for the cycle , i run DBOL on cycle of 30day on 90day OFF , tribulus between that, and off course the most important... 4UI jintropin 7day a week , on all the time.

And what i think is , why try to drop BF so low before building some muscle.. the more muscle you got the more calorie your body will need.. i eat 2500to3500calorie a day , with 250+gramm of protein a day , i never feel so good in my life , am 30year old..

my brother did the same cycle , with almost same diet , same gh etc... he start at the same time at 250 , he now at 218 with a decend BF level...

DIET+TRAINING and yes the gear can help you lose body fat will maintain your muscle!