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[Flagirl27]

My boyfriend doesn't have access to a computer, so I have to ask this question for him. I have researched some, but I have not found the exact answer I've been looking for. Here goes:

He is 215 lbs and about 15% bf. He is going to start a 10 week cycle of Dbol and Deca which will look something like this:
Dbol 30mg ED weeks 1-5
Deca 400 - 600 mg/week weeks 1-10. Clomid and nolvadex are also on hand and will be used.

The question is, I have only seen this cycle with sust added for the entire 10 weeks, but can you use just the dbol and deca and get just as good results and be able to keep the mass or should he really add the sust to it? He has used sust at 500mg per week for 10 or 12 weeks before with great results and getting it is not a problem, just a question of how much money does he really need to spend?!

The other question is he has both clomid and nolvadex, but limited supply of each, so both will probably be used. He's never had a problem with gyno before, but has never done a real serious cycle before either. How much and when should he start taking these and which one should he use first - the nolvadex or the clomid?

Thanks in advance for the info. I wish he could get on here himself, but he has jobs (he has 3 - works 7 days a week) where he cannot get to a computer.

 

[ultragainz]

hit any test that is cheap for him...test for 8-10 weeks is good...if he gets test prop 6-8 weeks or more is good at 100mgs ed or 100-200mgs eod...ed=everyday eod= everyother day.....

 

[ultragainz]

for clomid wiat 2-3 weeks after the cycle then hit clomid...300mgs on day 1 for the next ten days hit 100mgs the next ten days hit 50mgs.....so thats 3 full weeks of clomid....tell him to eat good train good and always rest good...

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Forget your boyfriend, do YOURSELF a favor and make sure he adds some test in there. If not, ole Deca Dick might kick in and you won't be getting any. Like Ultragainz said, get some cheap test and throw it in there. I just bought Mero Depot a few weeks ago at $75 and am getting some Brovel enanthate for $65 next week. Not bad.

 

[FBI]

i agree, definitely needs some test in there

 

[GLADIATOR351]

Has he ever used deca at 600mg before? If he has or has been close I sould say its fine, otherwise may want to reconsider that dose. Since deca causes progesterone sides, nolva/aramidex will not help.

He can use nolva, but his best bet would be to use anastrozole, prolly .5mg a day would be enough, but have enough on hand to up it if need be. Take it throughout cycle and all the way until the end when he is done with clomid.

He also needs to get some test to go with this cycle...

 

[FirstTimeUser0001]

I would always suggest EQ over deca, but if deca is going to be used I would put in Winny too. Also, unless you want to be pleasing yourself for the next 10 weeks I would have him add in some test.

 

[DoctorHERB]

I would get the winny in there too. Even if it's 50mg eod. I would go with the EQ over deca as well, but to each his own.

 

[serge]

tell him to add some testosterone if you want to have sex with him, 600mg of deca will most likely create some erectile dysfunctions.

 

[pgerardone]

IF he has the cash 500 mgs of test a week would be good. I would take 10mgs of novs ed from day one of the cycle. That should protect him from gyno. Some people do not take the novs until gyno starts but that is a mistake because a lot of times when gyno starts noveldex will not stop it. It usually will prevent gyno if taken from day one.

 

[Flagirl27]

Thanks guys!!! I will definately tell him to add some test in there! Last time he did sust it was sex EVERY DAY!!!

He has tried deca in the past and didn't like it - he felt that he wasn't getting anything from it, but he probably wasn't dosing right and he didn't "mix" anything with it. EQ is an option he has thought about, and I was going to tell him that a lot of you guys like EQ better than deca so he should probably try it instead. He can get his hands on anything he wants right now, so I'll tell him to try the EQ. Is the dosing the same on it 400mg a week?

Thanks for all your information guys!! You guys are the best!

 

[FirstTimeUser0001]

The dosage would be the same with EQ around 400-600 MGs\week. And I personally think EQ yields a better quality muscle. Not to mention the sex drive is still there. If you do decide to stay with deca the most important thing to remember is that the nolv. will be useless, and Winny is a MUST. I say if he is going to do it he should do it right with a combination of:

DBol
Test
EQ
Winny

Followed by a clen and clomid treatment at the end.

 

[TEST0STER0NE]

If he can't even get to a computer to post a ?, how the fuck is he going to eat and train????
~~~~>Test.

 

[Flagirl27]

TEST -

It only takes 30 to 45 minutes to train, right? He has time for that. The rest I take care of. I make all his meals and package them for him to take to work. He gets off work, works out, comes home and goes to bed. Anyone who is serious enough will find the time to train no matter what, right?

 

[Citruscide]

Flagrl... do you have a sister? I've never heard of a girlfriend going through all those hoops! I guess he's lucky

C

 

[Flagirl27]

Yes I do have a sister, but sorry - she's already married!

He eats a lot of the same things as me, so when I cook I make enough for him too. I try and make it as simple as possible. I buy chicken breasts at Sam's and make the whole bag at a time, bake all the sweet potatoes, etc. I still make things like egg whites everyday for him, but I figure I'm eating the same things, so why not make his too. It's common courtesy I think. It gets old cooking all the time, but what can you do? Ya gotta eat!! It would be different if he wasn't eating the same things as me and he wanted me to make him a pizza or something. Then he'd just have to starve! (HAHA!)

 

[GLADIATOR351]

If he can get ahold of some EQ, then have him get some...600mgs a week at 2-3 shots per week to help keep blood levels consistant....He may want to frontload the EQ and Test. If he does not frontload the EQ...it will take 4-5 wks for the effects to REALLY kick in....EQ will make you one hungry mofo...he will be eating double...The only bad side effect I have seen from the EQ is anxiety.. and it was horrible....