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Kakdiesel

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Revelations 18

Therefore her plagues will come in one day--death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

And the kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning. Standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying "Alas, alas, that great city Babylon that mighty city!" For in one hour your judgement has come.

And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore: merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk, and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most previous wood, bronze, iron, and marble.

For in one hour such great riches came to nothing. And every shipmaster, all who travel by ship, sailors, and as many as trade on the sea stood at a distance and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, "what is like this great city?"

And they threw dust on their heads and cried out weeping and wailing and saying, alas alas that great city in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her welath--for in one hour she is made desolate.
 
by the way, i'm not saying this is God's will what happened to the WTC..dont get me wrong..but my mom , who is a methodist minister, pointed out how erie that passage is..thats all..

again, i am NOT implying ANYTHING
 
good passage.

If anyone reads the bible which I am sure some of you do. You should remember this passage of something saying When isreal becomes a nation that generation shall not come to pass until the end of the world. Which means ladies and gents about another 20 or so years and God is either coming for you or leaving you behind. Give or take a few years but that generation isn't gettin any younger my friends. Praise God and you can't go wrong.

Drizz
 
The thing that gets me about this passage are these coincidences:

Kings of the earth and fornication (can you say Gary Condit and Bill Clinton as examples?)

and the WTC was a GLOBAL ECONOMIC STRUCTURE..no doubts about that..

and the fact that it speaks of a city near a body of water where people saw it go into flames..too scary to think about how coincidental it is speaking of NYC..

and if you notice on news telecasts how they refer to this WTC tragedy happening in "one hour" a lot..

weird.
 
Sorry Johnny O...my mom's is a methodist minister...I know the bible has its inconsistencies, but some things just are too weird to not just read..

take it for what its worth: a man's writing thousands of years ago..sorry if I'm boring anybody with this thread.
 
So God kills innocents as a judgement? So Bin Laden doing God's work? I don't think so.

And truthfully is God has to kill innocent people to satisfy a judgement I rather go to hell.
 
Like I said Johnny O..i did not imply that this is God's work or HIS wrath..i'm saying the whole storyline seems very similar thats all.

I believe in a GOD who loves all HIS children..so much that he gave us FREE WILL..

He lets us choose what we do..thats why in my christian religion we have a choice of going to heavan or hell...

War is not a spiritual or religous thing, its just man choosing what they want to do in order (in man's opinion) to survive.
 
i agree, god gave us free will. he gave us the will to choose good or evil. he will only save the ones that have chosen to follow him and accept him. this is not gods will. i believe god is weaping over this, but i still know he is in control. i will keep the faith no matter what. as the bible says, his followers will walk through the fire without getting burned, etc.
 
wesdog said:
i agree, god gave us free will. he gave us the will to choose good or evil. he will only save the ones that have chosen to follow him and accept him. this is not gods will. i believe god is weaping over this, but i still know he is in control. i will keep the faith no matter what. as the bible says, his followers will walk through the fire without getting burned, etc.

the definition of save is not exactly keeping us from death..maybe in his opinion death is a way to save people from their lives and bring them into heaven.
 
You are misapplying that scripture:

With another symbolism, God's final judgments are portrayed. Seven angels are provided with seven bowls of God's anger. They go forth to carry out this final work. One of the chief foes of God and of the "bride" of Christ comes in for attention, namely, "Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots," "the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth." Her alliance with the seven-headed beast collapses, the beast becoming enraged with her, eating her flesh, and burning her with fire. The mourning of those who made gain by their dealings with her is great, but heaven rejoices.

Babylon the great is the Harlot. Babylon is the great city referred to here, not NY. It is a figurative city. It represents false religion, namely Christendom.
 
When this war....

starts and it starts to pull in all other nations for and against each other and the bombs and terrorism become more common on American soil.....we'll see more people start to believe in God. Hell has a way of convincing nonbelievers there is a God.
 
The same can be said for hundreds of songs. Including but not limited to "We're In This Together" by NIN, "Karma Police" by Radiohead and "Aenema" by TOOL ;)
 
Reminds me of a saying:

"There are no athiests in foxholes."

I think if ANYONE was standing in those windows at the WTC, debating on whether to burn to death, or leap and fall 1,000 feet to your death, would be asking God to help them, or watch over their families, or what not. I'm not a big religious man... but I think deep down, when it's time to go... we will all go back to it... asking for either forgiveness, mercy, help, or whatever.

Don't know if it's done out of fear, or hope, or what... but no one wants to die. Believing in God is the only way to believe that you don't die when you die. But move on.

If I was falling 1,000 feet to my death, I don't think I'd be happy knowing it was "the end". I'm sure I'd have at least a little bit of hope that my eyes would open, and I'd be in a "better place".

I just have a hard time believing it exists.
 
I've put a lot more faith in God lately. It started a few months before all this happened and it's stuck with me. I still do despise religious leaders though.
 
Try reading from the King James Bible. Babelon has oft been referred to as being NYC.

But I for one don't believe in god, and therefore don't buy into this. Nostradamus is more believable.

Also, our future can always be told because we are so predictable.

What about the seven plagues?, the seven horses, the seven trumpets, etc. Notice how it all occurs in sevens? Hmmmmmmmmmm!
 
The Nature Boy said:
that passage can apply to many times throughout history.

Incorrect:

It specifically applies to the "last days" or in other words the peroid time we are living in now.

It does not mean literally days, it could be years, but we are at the end of this system. We know this because of the other Bible prophesy's that have been fulfilled.

All of Bible prohesy have been fulfilled except a few, which we are watching for now.
 
chesty said:
Try reading from the King James Bible. Babelon has oft been referred to as being NYC.

But I for one don't believe in god, and therefore don't buy into this. Nostradamus is more believable.

Also, our future can always be told because we are so predictable.

What about the seven plagues?, the seven horses, the seven trumpets, etc. Notice how it all occurs in sevens? Hmmmmmmmmmm!

In terms of God and the Bible where ever seven is mentioned it means completeness.
e.g. "You must forgive your brother seventy times seven." Or in other words once he asks for your forgiveness you should forgive him. There is no limit to the amount of times.

The number six represents incompleteness e.g. the mark of the Wild Beast is 666 - Which is evil
 
Back up and read the chapter previous, Revelation 17.
It explains who the great harlot represents.
It's the reconstitued Roman Empire headed by the AntiChrist,
and that will most likely be a subset of the current European Union.
It talks about the harlot sitting on 7 hills, which historically
is a clear reference to Rome.

Revelation 7:6
"...the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus..."
Clearly this cannot be a reference to New York.
Revelation 7:14
"They will make war with the Lamb and the Lamb will conquer them"
Clearly New York has never waged war on Christianity.
Revelation 7:15
"The waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated are ... and nations and ..."
Last I checked, New York is not multiple nations.
 
john937 said:

Last I checked, New York is not multiple nations.

symbollically it is..if you think about all the different races, nationalities, and creeds living there..its totally a melting pot..also the WORLD TRADE CENTER..had corporatoiins from all over the world ..
 
Yawn....you're right Kak, I shouldn't have read this thread. BTW, I am sure Santa and the Tooth Fairy will be here soon. Also, my God is better than Yours, he's ZEUS and he throws thunderbolts so you better watch out.
 
mrbill said:
Yawn....you're right Kak, I shouldn't have read this thread. BTW, I am sure Santa and the Tooth Fairy will be here soon. Also, my God is better than Yours, he's ZEUS and he throws thunderbolts so you better watch out.
LOL ok...now see people I cant even get mad at a response like that..its all good MRbill..

by the way, are you implying santa and the tooth fairy arent REAL?? OH MY GOD! thats blasphame!
 
Yes, and I am sure when those buildings came crashing down that most of our heroic firemen were calling out to Nostradamus to help them!!

As far as NYC not being the home to multiple nations, is it not the home of the United Nations? Hmmm. Just an observation.

Thirdly, many people ask well why has all this happened. I will be the first one to stand up and defend the fact that God did not cause this destruction to happen as punishment to the United States. For so long this country has battled to get God out of our schools, out of our government, and literally out of our way. It has caused many a battle on Capitol Hill to say the least. Well in a way, those efforts have succeeded greatly thanks to the help of the ACLU, so much to the fact that a person literally has to fight to preserve their right to worship. In saying all this I point to the fact that God is not going to hang around where he is not wanted especially when he is boldly told to just go away.

Never before has this country ever had to worry about terrorism as most wars were fought on foreign soil. God has always protected this country in a time when he was welcomed in our government and in our school. For a short time we have seen that God's protection and blessings on this country has fallen short as we have turned out backs on Him. We've seen this in our economy, school shootings, as well as recent terrorist attacks. Not as punishment, but because this nation has asked Him to leave and even more so, demanded it.

This was not an action of God, but a result of the sin and hatred in men's hearts that will prevail without God.

You notice the first place this country turned to was God. Both Democratic and Republican officials openly and publically looked to God for help. Why was that? I will leave that for you to decide for yourself.

Just relaying my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.

Mrs. TG
 
I agree with you!

God has been taken out of everything our society stands for. Our society has let this happen. I'm not going to stand here and thump the Bible but when this whole world begins to fall apart in the near future, I think alot more people will be converting their hatred feelings for God into their love for God! My .02 cents! Many nonbelievers find God in their life's final moments!
 
Great point Texas Guns....i mean i'm totally with you..GOd did not do this...terrorists did..but it IS something to think about how hypocrical people have been about God and religion..(i.e. only calling Him out in time of need)

I think after this, people will realize what they have done wrong..most of the people I know who denounce God were brought up Christian and in the church then as time went on, they seemed to have just forgotten everything they were taught..and those are the same people who now are crying and praying their hearts out..which isnt a bad thing...I jsut think this will have a long impact on how people will view their forgotten religious beliefs...

Kak
 
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