Does this statement hold any water?????

[JKurz1]

"Carbs before bed trigger an isulin response... Not a good thing when resting, as it signals the body to store fat. Pure protein OTOH feeds the muscles and allows for continuing repair during the night, concurrent with the GH release that peaks 4 hours into sleep. "

 

[musketeer]

Take complex carbs like brown rice or wholegrains. I take my fibre supplement (10 whole grams of the stuff) at bedtime - that has to help.

 

[Ulter]

Yes that statement is correct. It's one reason we advise Glucorell R before bed to clear the insulin. But not eating carbs after 6PM is not a bad idea, unless you train at night of course.

 

[JKurz1]

So let's say you pound your PW shake at 7pm..........you happen to crash after your shower at 830pm and then wake up, say around 9:30...........you have to be up at 4:30am, do you wake for 20 minutes and grap a 1/2 cup oats with a casein shake to hold you over?

 

[silverbackn]

This all depends on if you are trying to get big or not. If you want to put on weight you want high insulin levels, on the other hand if you are trying to drop bodyfat you'll want to keep your levels minimal. I personally eat a huge meal before I go to bed, and still can't gain weight. I am stuck a little over 250. I still have abs, they aren't sharp, but they are there. It obviously depends on the individual, most people couldn't do what I do without getting fat as hell.

 

[poantrex]

The general rule of thumb is to not eat carbs within 4-6 hours of bedtime. A great portion of it will be stored as fat if you have a slow to average metabolism.....of course some have super fast metabolisms that have a lower %'age stored as fat.

 

[VictorBR]

"Carbs before bed trigger an isulin response... Not a good thing when resting, as it signals the body to store fat. Pure protein OTOH feeds the muscles and allows for continuing repair during the night, concurrent with the GH release that peaks 4 hours into sleep. "

>>> yes that is correct , I don't eat carbs before bed . My last meal , before bed is always protein shake + flax seed oil ( it helps to slow down the protein absorption ) . Even low glycemic carbs can make you release a bit of insulin .

of course when bulking , you can eat carbs before bed , but even so, make sure it is low glycemic .

Victor

 

[JKurz1]

Then say you are bulking........HOWEVER, you want to gain lean mass as your metabolism in in the normal range..........cardio is also planned for first thing in the am...same scenerio, PW shake at 7pm bed at 830 and you wake at 930 for 20 minutes....do you grab a shake and some fiberous veggies/peanuts or a shake and 1/2 cup oats?

 

[silverbackn]

I must just be a freak, I eat about 2,000 cals before bed and do absolutely no cardio or anything else active (no sex either, tears). I can't gain any weight to save my life. I have already competed and I know how to train and eat. It's kind of frustrated. I can't get past 252.

 

[sweed]

Take complex carbs like brown rice or wholegrains. I take my fibre supplement (10 whole grams of the stuff) at bedtime - that has to help.

how long are u on the jon in the morning?

 

[Joe Stenson]

Then say you are bulking........HOWEVER, you want to gain lean mass as your metabolism in in the normal range..........cardio is also planned for first thing in the am...same scenerio, PW shake at 7pm bed at 830 and you wake at 930 for 20 minutes....do you grab a shake and some fiberous veggies/peanuts or a shake and 1/2 cup oats?

The point of doing cardio first thing in the morning is to NOT have carbs in your system, so that you're supposedly burning a greater % of bodyfat...I therefore don't really see why you would want to eat carbs at that meal.

A caloric surplus is going make you gain weight (and as long as you've been training and the surplus isn't too great it should be muscle). Whether that surplus comes from carbs or protein or fat is not that big a deal. This is in reference to the guy saying you NEED an insulin response at night to grow. Does that mean if you're taking in 500 calories over maintenance, you've got adequate protein in there, and you've been training, that you won't grow if you don't eat carbs before bed?

 

[DIVISION]

Then say you are bulking........HOWEVER, you want to gain lean mass as your metabolism in in the normal range..........cardio is also planned for first thing in the am...same scenerio, PW shake at 7pm bed at 830 and you wake at 930 for 20 minutes....do you grab a shake and some fiberous veggies/peanuts or a shake and 1/2 cup oats?

If you are bulking and want to gain lean mass, just make sure your carbs are highquality complex and that your protein intake is high. You should not be waking up in the middle of the night to take in another meal. Take a protein shake w/ some EFA's and sleep, then in the morning do your cardio on an empty stomach which will elevate your metabolism for the entire day.

The quality of your gains on a bulker are dependant on your diet.....keep your diet clean.





DIV

 

[JKurz1]

The point of doing cardio first thing in the morning is to NOT have carbs in your system, so that you're supposedly burning a greater % of bodyfat...I therefore don't really see why you would want to eat carbs at that meal.

A caloric surplus is going make you gain weight (and as long as you've been training and the surplus isn't too great it should be muscle). Whether that surplus comes from carbs or protein or fat is not that big a deal. This is in reference to the guy saying you NEED an insulin response at night to grow. Does that mean if you're taking in 500 calories over maintenance, you've got adequate protein in there, and you've been training, that you won't grow if you don't eat carbs before bed?

Bro - my goals are different.....sure, if you want to lose weight, do cardio without carbs/fuel........however, I'm trying to put on lean mass......+ my cardio is 6-7hours after my last meal...........it's the night before........i'm pretty convinved you needs those carbs to shuttle protein and repair from heavy training....right now, I just use fiberous (veggies) and nuts with a casein shake.......want to switch to oats.

 

[Joe Stenson]

i'm pretty convinved you needs those carbs to shuttle protein and repair from heavy training

You don't "need" carbs to grow. You need protein and a caloric surplus...period.

 

[Mavy]

You don't "need" carbs to grow. You need protein and a caloric surplus...period.

I dissagree on that one bro .. even know this could be argued til the cows come home. How many people do you know, who grow big without carbs? Keto diets are more used for cutting. How many pros do you think got where they are without carbs? I would be willing to bet ZERO.

Anyways, Kurz, welcome to my problem bro, I usually dont get back from training until 11:00 at night during the week. I would like to be able to train earlier in the day so that i can eat protien/fats/carbs every two hours after my workouts, but unfortunally, I only get my PW shake, and a meal with Protien/fat/carbs 1.5 hrs later .. then off to bed. Its still so soon after my workout, that I know the carbs are being utilized well from my workout session. There is no way in hell i would be eating that meal at 12:30am if I worked out in the morning.

Mavy

 

[poantrex]

I also disagree. Insulin is REQUIRED to shuttle amino acids to muscles, and carbs have a much higher insulin response than protein or fat bsaed foods.

It may not be required, but you won't get much muscle growth without carbs. You can't get big by eating like a girl...

 

[Mavy]

It may not be required, but you won't get much muscle growth without carbs. You can't get big by eating like a girl...

lol .. probably not ... my girl eats mostly salads, chicken ceasar is her fav, and chicken fajitas! lol.

 

[Ulter]

and chicken fajitas! lol.

HEY!! Easy on the Chicken Fajitas. I love those things

 

[Mavy]

lol ... me too. I can eat literally around 5 of them. She lives off them though, probably has them about 3 times a week. Then when we go out to eat .. guess what she always orders?? CHICKEN FAJITAS!

 

[JKurz1]

Mavy - you always got good info.........thnx man........but, I'm still weary on what to do at night. I dont think training earlier and eating afterwards is any better than eating all day long and then training..........some studies should be done, although it would solve my late night eating problem. Anyways, you finish training, you slam your shake.....you now are home and have about 10minutes till you crash for the night. What do you do? Keep it simple.....what do you do??????????

 

[Joe Stenson]

I also disagree. Insulin is REQUIRED to shuttle amino acids to muscles, and carbs have a much higher insulin response than protein or fat bsaed foods.

You don't need carbs to have insulin. It's a signaling hormone that is still active, albeit less active, without the presence of carbs. The pathway isn't dependent on glucose; glucose is merely part of the feedback mechanism.

You guys are probably right though. It isn't OPTIMAL to go without consuming carbs, but you can still build muscle without...less muscle perhaps, but you CAN still gain. It's not as though protein synthesis will cease without the presence of carbs.

 

[poantrex]

You don't need carbs to have insulin. It's a signaling hormone that is still active, albeit less active, without the presence of carbs. The pathway isn't dependent on glucose; glucose is merely part of the feedback mechanism.

You guys are probably right though. It isn't OPTIMAL to go without consuming carbs, but you can still build muscle without...less muscle perhaps, but you CAN still gain. It's not as though protein synthesis will cease without the presence of carbs.

Read what I posted. Carbs have a _signifigantly_ higher insulin response than any fat or protein based food.

Which is why it is optimal to eat plenty of clean carbs in the quest to get big...