Does one always need Test specifically during cycle?

[bogenjager]

There seems to be many views on this. I realize most anabolics are testosterone or a derivative of it. Some people say "you have to take Testosterone when taking an Anabolic" (anabolic being a derivative, non test specifically...Tren, Masterone, etc).

What are your views on this? Does one have to take Test. specifically during all cycles?

 

[bigbassturd]

No.

 

[stevesmi]

no and I will be putting up additional bloodwork explaining and proving you do not

testosterone is the male hormone correct? now lets pretend its water in a glass. if you add sugar or salt or whatever to the glass that is other AAS. add sugar to it and call it tren.. add salt and call it primo. etc etc.

all AAS is derived from testosterone, they don't come from plastic or rubber

 

[bogenjager]

Good replies. That clears things up a lot.

 

[madbro]

It's more complicated than that..it won't hurt you if you won't.. But there's a reason people use test as a base.

 

[RADAR]

in the old days everyone used to preach that test should be the base on any cycle, not necessary so.

 

[Sherk]

Good points. Another way to look at it is people who run DS like methadrol, helladrol or katanadrol. Those are steroids plain and simple, the majority of people who are new to the aas world don't use testosterone as a base. It's an oral only cycle.

 

[Dial_tone]

I still do but i don't think you have to use a lot.

 

[Sherk]

I still do but i don't think you have to use a lot.

I do too myself but I'm on trt so I kinda have to lol.

 

[dvoted]

In saying that would the results be better with say a test base.of 400 and tren at 300 , then tren alone at 300?

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[UA_Iron]

In saying that would the results be better with say a test base.of 400 and tren at 300 , then tren alone at 300?

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*Many* people feel better when they run test with other compounds that suppress natural test levels.

We've been over this soooooooooooooo many times. Use the forum search and read the arguments for both sides.

 

[stevesmi]

In saying that would the results be better with say a test base.of 400 and tren at 300 , then tren alone at 300?

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running 700mg of gear vs. 300mg of gear typically would give you better results.

the more gear you run however the more sides you get exposed to. if your bp shoots up and you can't sleep on a large amount of gear which causes you to half ass your workouts then are you gonna gain on that cycle? probably not

so its all about risk vs. reward. everyone has an opinion.. i've heard some guys say tren should only be run 200mg a week tops.. anything more is just sides vs. potential. and then we get into UG gear. 200mg of whatever might not be underdosed over overdosed. i've run underdosed shit before and it seemed like i would of had to run over a gram to get any benefit.

so the lesson is get good quality gear and run a moderate dose that doesn't give you sides and you will grow like a weed

 

[nydj66]

Years ago I tried the reputed "Arnold" stack of Primo/Dbol. After about 3 weeks I had libido and ED issues. I added 125mg/week of Test-E and everything was gtg again. Since then I have not run a cycle without at least that maintenance dosage of test.

 

[dvoted]

running 700mg of gear vs. 300mg of gear typically would give you better results.

the more gear you run however the more sides you get exposed to. if your bp shoots up and you can't sleep on a large amount of gear which causes you to half ass your workouts then are you gonna gain on that cycle? probably not

so its all about risk vs. reward. everyone has an opinion.. i've heard some guys say tren should only be run 200mg a week tops.. anything more is just sides vs. potential. and then we get into UG gear. 200mg of whatever might not be underdosed over overdosed. i've run underdosed shit before and it seemed like i would of had to run over a gram to get any benefit.

so the lesson is get good quality gear and run a moderate dose that doesn't give you sides and you will grow like a weed

Thanks fr the input steve I was thinking of onli running 200 tren.a,week.for a cycle ima do in the near future

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[kubes]

There seems to be many views on this. I realize most anabolics are testosterone or a derivative of it. Some people say "you have to take Testosterone when taking an Anabolic" (anabolic being a derivative, non test specifically...Tren, Masterone, etc).

What are your views on this? Does one have to take Test. specifically during all cycles?

You don't have to do anything but I would run at least a trt dose of test with any cycle.