Does Nolvadex Really Hinder Gains?

[bigpimpin25]

i am hearing different things from everyone ! some people say that nolvadex on cycle lowers igf-1 and hinders muscle gains because of that. some others say that nolvadex only blocks estrogen receptors in the muscles and the only "loss of gains" is pure water weight/bloat. what is the truth? i have a small lump forming in my right nip and i am treating it with 40mg of nolva per day now and its helping but i do not want to hinder gains my entire cycle. help me out please

 

[bigpimpin25]

bump

 

[gjohnson5]

nobody really knows...

There have been studies on breast cancer patients that have shown that AI's such as Arimidex and Letrozole have few side effects and actually INCREASE IGF-1 when treating the cancer

I've posted the studies myself and I would have to look on some of my gyno threads I have posted, but these studies have never correlated to healthy men with super physiological levels of hormones running through their bodies.....

I do not believe anyone can answer that question

 

[bigpimpin25]

nobody really knows...

There have been studies on breast cancer patients that have shown that AI's such as Arimidex and Letrozole have few side effects and actually INCREASE IGF-1 when treating the cancer

I've posted the studies myself and I would have to look on some of my gyno threads I have posted, but these studies have never correlated to healthy men with super physiological levels of hormones running through their bodies.....

I do not believe anyone can answer that question

dang it

 

[bigpimpin25]

anyone else have comments?

 

[str8nubin]

You want some estrogen for gains but not enough for sides.

If by gains we are talkin about water retention, well those aren't really gains anyhow. Ill just call that a side. But if you consider that a "gain" well then you are losing some of that.

If you are cutting out estrogen then yes you are losing some muscle in the long run. There have been some guys who actually use estrogen on cycle for strength and size. Cows are also fond of estradiol it seems.

What gjohnson said is perfectly accurate: nolvadex and some others reduce igf-1, I believe nolva it was something like 25 percent so there is another factor. But letro and adex can actually increase it. Someone posted an article that was in flex about it.

But I would rather lose any amount of gains than get serious gyno lol

 

[bigpimpin25]

You want some estrogen for gains but not enough for sides.

If by gains we are talkin about water retention, well those aren't really gains anyhow. Ill just call that a side. But if you consider that a "gain" well then you are losing some of that.

If you are cutting out estrogen then yes you are losing some muscle in the long run. There have been some guys who actually use estrogen on cycle for strength and size. Cows are also fond of estradiol it seems.

What gjohnson said is perfectly accurate: nolvadex and some others reduce igf-1, I believe nolva it was something like 25 percent so there is another factor. But letro and adex can actually increase it. Someone posted an article that was in flex about it.

But I would rather lose any amount of gains than get serious gyno lol

25% reduction in ifg-1? that still leaves 75% ......i'll take that over all the igf-1 in the world and big puffy nipples LOL . so should i continue to take 20mg daily of nolvadex during my cycle? (test only) and i was considering even using grape seed extract in high dosages for its AI properties

 

[cobracock1979]

25% reduction in ifg-1? that still leaves 75% ......i'll take that over all the igf-1 in the world and big puffy nipples LOL . so should i continue to take 20mg daily of nolvadex during my cycle? (test only) and i was considering even using grape seed extract in high dosages for its AI properties

What cycle - many consida Nolva to be old fa shioned now for treating gyno

 

[bigpimpin25]

What cycle - many consida Nolva to be old fa shioned now for treating gyno

a gram of sustanon per week and thats all im taking . i havent been sensitive to estrogen in the past so i just assume its the dose i'm taking... thats why i have nolvadex on hand incase the gyno fairy wanted to visit me .

 

[cobracock1979]

a gram of sustanon per week and thats all im taking . i havent been sensitive to estrogen in the past so i just assume its the dose i'm taking... thats why i have nolvadex on hand incase the gyno fairy wanted to visit me .

I woold say aromasin/ adex would be better protection in low doses and shouldnt hinder gains. That is a high dose of test.

letro on hanfd if you actually notice any solid lumps