Does anything give definition + Bulk

[Top-Notch]

thinking of taking deca with another substance...maybe dbol but i've been reading and after a while the dbol starts taking away the "cuts" and the deffinition in your body...is there anything else out there that will bulk me up with noticiable cuts?


another question is if i do take dbol is there a way to keep the water retention/bulk, or will i lose 100% of it.

thanks

 

[SwolK]

stick around, read and research.

that will answer your questions, if not then ask

 

[mikefear]

you want to be big or do you want to be a bitch.

get big, then worry about the 'cuts'

 

[drrman]

lol, you want to be superman i take it?

bro, you can't bulk and stay ripped, its like trying to go forward with your car in reverse

 

[Top-Notch]

werd thanks i honestly took that advice.....but ya any answers about the water retension question

 

[mikefear]

yeah. dont use an AI.. but then you risk super high estro..all that water isnt good for your bp anyway

 

[WR66215]

I'm assuming this is your 1st cycle(if not, then I apologize) so I would stay away from the Deca. Test alone would be more than fine to bulk, frontloaded with some dbol. In terms of stayin cut while bulking it's like drrman said it is very well like trying to move forward with your car in reverse. Throw on some size then worry about cutting up. Try some aifm to counter some of that water and that should help. Good luck bro!

 

[rakasha681]

thinking of taking deca with another substance...maybe dbol but i've been reading and after a while the dbol starts taking away the "cuts" and the deffinition in your body...is there anything else out there that will bulk me up with noticiable cuts?


another question is if i do take dbol is there a way to keep the water retention/bulk, or will i lose 100% of it.

thanks

To bulk, and stay as dry as possible, heres what id recommend, after doing some more research on PCT of course..
Wk 1-4 Dbol 30-40mg ED (split into 3 or 4 doses)
Wk 1-8/10 Test Enth/Cyp 500mg/WK
Wk 1-8/10 50mg Proviron (split 25mg morning and nite)
Wk 1-8/10 20mg Nolvadex ED

Taking the nolva ED instead of at the onset of gyno will limit your gains a little, but will keep you dry.

 

[SwolK]

To bulk, and stay as dry as possible, heres what id recommend, after doing some more research on PCT of course..
Wk 1-4 Dbol 30-40mg ED (split into 3 or 4 doses)
Wk 1-8/10 Test Enth/Cyp 500mg/WK
Wk 1-8/10 50mg Proviron (split 25mg morning and nite)
Wk 1-8/10 20mg Nolvadex ED

Taking the nolva ED instead of at the onset of gyno will limit your gains a little, but will keep you dry.

if he uses an AI, then he wont need the nolv during the cycle and can use it for PCT

 

[ryan04]

you want to be big or do you want to be a bitch.

get big, then worry about the 'cuts'

Exactly. If you don't have a good base of muscle, then theres nothing to cut up. Really skinny guys look "cut" and might have a six pack...doesn't mean they're big.

To keep water off from dbol, use an anti-estrogen like adex, letro, AIFM, nolva or aromasin. Sounds like your pretty inexperienced as far as AAS goes (nothing wrong with that, everyone has to start somewhere). To be honest your just going to have to learn from trial and error for a while.

 

[factory46]

If you are AT ALL worried about water weight and/or fat don't start off on Deca or Dbol. Too many sides to worry about.

Keep it simple. Do Test Enanth only. Do 10 weeks, do proper pct, then judge your results.

Other viable options: Test prop (faster with more bloat & less acne)
Test Cyp (another good long acting, matter of personal preference and availability)


Here's my recipe for success:
Currently: (In week 11)
wk 1-12 500 Test E / week
wk 1-12 800 Primo / week
wk 10-14 Avavar 75mg / day

wk 3-14 AIFM - 1 or 2 sprays a day
wk 3-14 Nolva 25mg eod or as needed
hcg on hand

 

[gabulldogs02]

If you are AT ALL worried about water weight and/or fat don't start off on Deca or Dbol. Too many sides to worry about.

Keep it simple. Do Test Enanth only. Do 10 weeks, do proper pct, then judge your results.

Other viable options: Test prop (faster with more bloat & less acne)
Test Cyp (another good long acting, matter of personal preference and availability)

good advice here. too many people want to start a cycle stacking test this, that and the other. Go with test E 500 mg a week for 10-12 weeks with proper PCT. My 1st cycle i stacked 500 mg of test and 300mg of deca and 2nd cycle was test only and made nearly the same gains. Keep it simple!

 

[JimBoy]

Like mikefear said, get big first then cut. Get your pct in line and make sure you have everything before you start your cycle.