does anyone have a article that shows drinking winnie is the same as injecting??

[copperridge]

i'm looking for a labatory result or something authentic. i've been drinking winnie for 3 weeks & i guess its working but i was wondering if its the same as injecting? thanks!

 

[VictorBR]

i'm looking for a labatory result or something authentic. i've been drinking winnie for 3 weeks & i guess its working but i was wondering if its the same as injecting? thanks!

I might be wrong here but I really don't believe that drinking is the same as injecting. It is written there " for intramuscular use only " .

I do believe that you can drink it, and it will work , but I am not sure if you would absorb 100 % , maybe 70 or 80 % , not sure here .

But when you inject it , you can rest assured that you are absorbing 100 % .


Victor

 

[copperridge]

I might be wrong here but I really don't believe that drinking is the same as injecting. It is written there " for intramuscular use only " .

I do believe that you can drink it, and it will work , but I am not sure if you would absorb 100 % , maybe 70 or 80 % , not sure here .

But when you inject it , you can rest assured that you are absorbing 100 % .


Victor

thanks!

 

[tokebloke]

Well we all know it's 17aa so it is protected from the liver like d-ball winny and var. But it is more effective when injected probably. A study done on dogs showed 35mg injected was equal to around 50mg orally. That being said, winny injections hurt and you really do need to do them ed, not eod. Oral is the way to go. Tabs are cheaper then the injectable version anayways, not that you can't drink the injectable.

 

[orca]

Im drinking zambons, ive never shot anything as painfull except t400.

 

[supertech69]

Im drinking zambons, ive never shot anything as painfull except t400.

I don't understand why TF labs oil based isn't catchin on????? I used that and it was totally painless and very good quality. My favorite is still BD 5mg tabs though.

 

[orca]

Supertech, I will look into TF. I like the thought of injectables over orals.

 

[genarr3]

Well we all know it's 17aa so it is protected from the liver like d-ball winny and var. But it is more effective when injected probably. A study done on dogs showed 35mg injected was equal to around 50mg orally. That being said, winny injections hurt and you really do need to do them ed, not eod. Oral is the way to go. Tabs are cheaper then the injectable version anayways, not that you can't drink the injectable.

Here ya go . . .

Got this off of Brock Strasser's column on T - Mag


Q: There's this huge debate raging over whether or not you can "drink" your Winny-V. I know that because stanozolol is 17-AA'ed, I can use it orally. However, how much more or less effective is oral stanozolol over injected stanozolol? I hear that you need about twice as much stanozolol orally as you would injected to see similar results. How was this figure of doubling the dose orally determined?

A: There isn't a lot of great pharmacokinetic data in humans comparing oral to parenteral (injectable) stanozolol. So that idea of "if you use X amount by injection you need twice as much orally" is anecdotal and speculative at best. The best I could find is a study comparing the two methods of administration in dogs. My comments come after the abstract:

The effect of stanozolol on 15-nitrogen retention in the dog

Can J Vet Res 2000 Oct;64(4):246-8 (ISSN: 0830-9000)

Olson ME; Morck DW; Quinn KB [Find other articles with these Authors] Animal Health Unit and Gastrointestinal Sciences, University of Calgary, Alberta.

The objective of the study was to determine the influence of either oral or intramuscular administration of stanozolol on nitrogen retention in dogs by using a non-invasive 15N-amino acid tracer technique. Ten healthy, intact, adult male sled dogs received either stanozolol tablets, 2 mg/dog PO, q12h, for 25 days (Group 1, n = 5) or an intramuscular injection of 25 mg of stanozolol on Days 7, 14, 21, and 28 (Group 2, n = 5). A 15N amino acid (5.27 mmol) was infused intravenously into each dog on Day 0 (before stanozolol treatment) and on Day 31 (after stanozolol treatment). Urine was collected by catheterization from each animal 3 times daily for 3 consecutive days. The 15N-urea enrichment in urine was determined by high-resolution mass spectrometry and the total amount of urea in the urine was determined.

Both oral and injectable stanozolol resulted in significant (P < 0.05) increases in amino acid nitrogen retention compared to pretreatment values. Oral stanozolol increased nitrogen retention from 29.2 +/- 8.2% to 50.3 +/- 9.2%, while stanozolol injection increased nitrogen retention from 26.6 +/- 9.9% to 67.0 +/- 7.5%. The response to intramuscular administration was significantly greater than the response to the oral dosing regime. Stanozolol increases amino acid nitrogen retention in dogs, as has been previously observed in rats. This action of stanozolol may be beneficial in dogs under stress of surgical trauma and chronic disease.

Okay, so the oral dose was 28mg/week and the injected dose was 25mg/week. And the injected dose was far better at increasing nitrogen retention (67.0% versus 50.3%). This makes it about 33.2% better (roughly speaking), so if I extrapolate, it means to see the same effects as 25mg of injected stanozolol per week, you'd need to take about 38mg of it orally.

This isn't quite "twice the injected dose" and is, in fact, closer to 50% (52% or so actually). So if you assume the dog model is correct, or nearly so in other mammals like humans, you'd need about 50% more stanozolol orally than you would if you injected it. So if you used 50mg of injected Winstrol every other day, it would be a safe bet to assume 37.5mg of stanozolol used orally every day would provide a similar effect.

 

[supertech69]

Supertech, I will look into TF. I like the thought of injectables over orals.

Great stuff, doesn't clog either, I have used 25g several times w/no probs. And the best thing is that you can load it with your other oil based gear.

 

[Excidium28]

You only absorbe 40-60% of the chemical by drinking it.