Does anyone get fina cough with fina made from powder, not pellets?

[zziggzzigg]

I've noticed phlegm and lung tightness using transdermal tren...

I'm wondering if the problem might possibly be from using an impure solvent in the initial part of the process... ie. heet methyl alcohol??

I remember reading somewhere that methyl alcohol or acetone that is not usp should be distilled before using, as they contain other impure solvents... that I'm wondering might be making into the final product as the impurities are supposedly not very volatile and would not evaporate easily??

 

[Sigmund Roid]

So what do you think, then, sigmond? Wouldn't we get the cough and solvent taste from all injectibles if it was the BA?

I used to be under the impression that BB was responsible for the fina cough, so I made BB free solution. I still got the fina cough. I use only 2% BA, and I have never ever had any adverse reaction from bacteriostatic water which contains 0.9% BA or other oil solutions which contained op to 7.5% BA. I even switched oils, from sesame to grapeseed oil, still I get the cough. My conclusion is therefore that it is the fina itself, and that nothing can be done against it.

ZZiggzzigg, I hope you are not applying acetone or methyl alcohol on your skin?

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

Sigmond Roid said:
"My conclusion is therefore that it is the fina itself, and that nothing can be done against it."

Sigmond, do you know what esters other steroids used that contained trenbolone? Is it possible that it is the acetate ester itself then (i.e. the carrier ester rather than the hormone) that causes the adverse reaction? Just a thought.

 

[Spidey]

 Spidey

Interesting information Spidey. Did you use BA or BB as part of your "magic solution?"

To be honest though, I have never gotten the cough from any other injectible. Injectibles that I have used are t-cyp, t-enanthate, sus, deca durabolin and its generic nandrolone decanoate, winny, HCG, and serostim (gh). I have also been on HRT for over seven years with weekly injections of test. My only experience with the cough came from home brewed tren. made from Component TH. Of course, with the exception of the sus and winny, all of the others were U.S. made pharmaceuticals (not black market).

I used 1% BA and 20% BB in my preparations of both my fina and my test prop. I copied these concentrations from a bottle of Upjohn Test Cyp. That vial, straight from a Eckerd Pharmacy, was labeled as 0.95% BA and 20% BB in cottenseed oil. IRONMAN - note that this human grade test cyp (upjohn) is 20% BB. Benzyl benzoate is not so uncommon in pharmaceutical preps.

 

[ironmaster]

As Rumsfeld says, "the answer may be unknowable". Unfortunately, I am old enough to have used the original parabolan..........no cough, no taste.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Sigmond Roid said:
"My conclusion is therefore that it is the fina itself, and that nothing can be done against it."

Sigmond, do you know what esters other steroids used that contained trenbolone? Is it possible that it is the acetate ester itself then (i.e. the carrier ester rather than the hormone) that causes the adverse reaction? Just a thought.

I also used tren enanthate, even tren cypionate, they all give me the cough now and then.

 

[mobigsley]

ankels blew up...

I have heard something to the effect that it could be blood pressure related (the lung problem) is there any correlation between those that saw a rise in their BP and getting the cough?

My BP was ok on tren.... Didnt get the cough but I do feel something in my lungs like a congestion I remmber after the first shot that the air I was breathing felt cool and my breating was a bit more shallow...

I cycled it 4 weeks 2-3 weeks off.

also at the end of the first 4 week cycle my ankels blew up I n ever figured it out as I was on vacation in a hot place and am wondering if I was dehydrated (hard to get enough water on vacation). Secon 4 week cycle no probs with the ankels...

 

[NorCalBdyBldr]

Ironmaster said:

Unfortunately, I am old enough to have used the original parabolan..........no cough, no taste.

Ironmaster I have heard of but never used parabolan so please excuse my ignorance. Am I correct in assuming it is injectible rather than oral? Also what ester was used to carry the trenbolone in Parabolan? Was it also Trenbolone Acetate or something else?

I checked out the MSDS for trenbolone acetate and it was not very helpful because this material is not intended for human use so exposure risk is very limited due to packaging in "belts" that are loaded in pellet guns. Therefore, there is very little exposure information, etc. For the chemists on the board, does anyone know the specific acetate ester used and can you find an MSDS on it?

 

[ben bristle]

I think it's the BA. I once read a study on the effects of long acting testosterones on patients. (I'm going to para-phrase here, as I don't exactly remember all of the details) What I do remember is that they said patients occasionally developed a violent cough immediately after injection. The y said it was due to the BA in the test, and that it was not dangerous.

BB

 

[Spidey]

Ironmaster said:


Ironmaster I have heard of but never used parabolan so please excuse my ignorance. Am I correct in assuming it is injectible rather than oral? Also what ester was used to carry the trenbolone in Parabolan? Was it also Trenbolone Acetate or something else?

I checked out the MSDS for trenbolone acetate and it was not very helpful because this material is not intended for human use so exposure risk is very limited due to packaging in "belts" that are loaded in pellet guns. Therefore, there is very little exposure information, etc. For the chemists on the board, does anyone know the specific acetate ester used and can you find an MSDS on it?

Parabolan was an injectable. The ester was actually not an ester but a carbonate (hexahydrobenzyl carbonate, also called cyclohexylmethyl carbonate).

As for the "specific acetate ester used", acetate IS the ester. There is only one "acetate". Esters are compounds resulting from a union of an alcohol (trenbolone in this case) and a carboxylic acid (acetic acid in this case). The resulting ester is an entirely new compound with new properties so you couldn't look up a MSDS for acetic acid, for example, and expect it to tell you anything about the properties or toxicity of trenbolone acetate.