Does anyone find that they never have full looking muscles while on ECA?

[Krazykat]

I have tended to find this, and irespective of carb intake. The muscles never looks really full while on ECA.

Opinons?

 

[slobberknocker]

I noticed that when I was taking a lot of Ripped Fuel every day. Probably from loss of water. But I was also on a low carb diet.

 

[Krazykat]

Its meant to be glycogen sparing so it should keep you fuller.

 

[Stillgoing]

Be careful, too much eph over too long a period will take muscle IMO. It'll also screw with your prostate.

 

[Krazykat]

Why will it take muscle? Its meant to increase protein synthesis.

I have always found though that I never look my best when on ECA.

 

[L.D. 50]

The caffeine functions as a diuretic, so you have less water volume in the muscles. thus the flat look. Happens to me too. The stress your body feels from the drugs (and/or dieting) increases cortisol secretion. Cortisol has a glucose sparing effect, but its mechanism is to realease amino acids from skeletal muscle, and fatty acids form adipose tissue. If you don't have adaquate protein intake, you can see the affects of being catabolic, rather than anabolic.

Also, the glucose sparing affect functions to keep up glucose levels in the blood, so it doesn't do anything for muscle volume.

 

[geoboy]

yeah, the caffeine s the culprit.
the C falttens.
the A gives the jitters.
Just the E, isn't as good at thermogenisis, but muscles don't look as flat (in fact get a little bit of a pump), and don't get the caffeine dick effect.

anyone know of any studies comparing E with EC with ECA on fat loss?

 

[L.D. 50]

Because of the reasons I posted above, I don't use nyc, or any other stimulants for that matter unless I am on AAS. I find that it is hard enough for me to keep muscle, let alone grow without something to aid in keeping up protein synthesis. Others may have more success, but I never have.

 

[Krazykat]

bump

any other experiences?

by and large eca has been show to be anabolic, preserve muscle tissue (though not through anti-catabolism) and with more fat loss. Nevertheless I have never looked my best on it...

 

[Krazykat]

what`s the caffeine dick effect?

 

[geoboy]

what`s the caffeine dick effect?

well caffiene is a powerful vasoconstrictor, basically the opposite of NO2/arginine/viagra/yohimbe which are vasodialative in result.

200 mgs of caffiene can make erections less rigid, and flaccid state less "plump".

 

[Krazykat]

interesting,

that may go some way to explain a lack of pumped looking muscle too.