dballer said:
can you prove that what you posted is the truth?
well, I am going to try.
In order to attempt this, we have to establish some truths, and set up a background.
1. Jesus was a Jew, and was addressed as rabbi, or teacher. (whether you believe in his divinity or not, he was raised by Jewish parents in the jewish tradition)
2. Jews had been around for several thousand years before Jesus. In approx 700 BC, the Assyrians (under King Sennachrib) destroyed 10 of teh 12 Jewish tribes. (The so called lost tribes) However, Sennachrib was unable to destroy Jerusalem. The Jewish king Hezekiah repelled the conquering forces.
2a. This repulsion strengthened the Jewish faith so much that when Senachrib's son, Nebuchadnezzar, captured Jeruslaem and enslaved the Jews, Jews believed that God would lead them to freedom
2b. Jews value education. They still do. (Lot of Jewish docs, lawyers and accoutnants, right? Jews value education.) Because of this, Jews knew the area and udnerstood the trade routes very well. They had value to the Romans as other than just slaves. They spoke multiple languages and could interact with numerous peoples.
3. Since Jews had been through a lot as a culture before Rome came along, they were pretty tough. Their resistance to the Romans is widely known - modern day Mossad agents take their oaths at the spot where Jews fought off the Romans for
months (This is the equivalent of a tiny country like Honduras fighting off the US forces for months)
4. Jews, at the time of Jesus's birth, were subjects to the Roman empire. Rome demanded total fealty from its subjects.
4a. Jews were not typical subjects. Their knowledge of trade routes, and multiple languages gave them unique value to Rome.
5. Some Jews exploited this value to curry favor with Rome.
Not much to debate above.
Jesus comes along
1. No Jew would ever say they are God. It is incomprehensible that a
man could holy, according to Jews. Only God can be holy in the Jewish faith. Jews believe that the Messiah will come at the end of the world.
1a. The Bible quotes Jesus as referring to himself as the "Son of man" as well as the "Son of God". This is common for Jews. Jews use teh expression "Son of man, Son of God" to refer to the fact that they are people that believe in God and His laws, but that they are inhabitants of Earth. There is nothing controversial about this.
2. Jesus definitely had followers.
His followers were all Jews. Np jew would believe in a man who says he is God. If the jews who followed him believed that it was the end of the world, and that the Jesus was the Messiah, the belief in Him would have dissipated soon after his death, when the world didn't end.
3. It is forbidden for Jews to proselytize, or to seek converts. You won't see Jews going door to door handing out pamphlets.
4. So if a Jew wouldn't follow a Man who claimed to be God, why did Jesus have followers?
Well, as mentioend before, there were Jews who had used their knowledge of commerce routes and multiple languages to curry favor with Rome. Jesus most likely spoke against these guys.
5. Jews don't believe in an afterlife. So they don't like to be occupied or subjugated. Speaking against Rome would have created a following among Jews. This is most likely exactly what happened.
6. Speaking against Rome is not a good way to make friends with the higher ups. Rome knew that the jews were hard to govern. Educated people always are. So when Jesus came along and started saying "rome sucks", Rome noticed right away. Rome didn't want to take the chances that the Jews would make trouble.
This is why the Romans executed Jesus, and mocked him as the King of the Jews: to discourage followers.
Jesus is dead, now what?
1. Jesus's followers did exactly what he told them: spread his message. And to whom did they spread it? To other Jews. If his followers had tried to tell other Jews that Jesus was the Messiah, they would have been lauhged at. it is contrary to everything Jews believe in. They would have been discredited and that would be that. The movement would be over.
(little known fact: throughout the history of Jews, there have been others who claimed that they were the messiah. None of them ever gained momentum)
So why did this message spread? Because the message wasn't "God has become man". The message was "Be true to your Jewish self. The Roman captivity will pass, as did the Egyptian and Babylonian captivities.
This message would resonate with Jews.
This message would also resonate with anyone else under the Roman occupation. This was pretty much everyone that could be easily reached.
The early church:
Rome was growing very fast. Jesus' message (fuck you Rome) had spread beyond the Jews and was now being acceopted by others. Paul (not a Jew) was making some headway on with teh Greeks. Paul wanted to be aleadre against the Romans.
To reach non-jews, Paul had to change the message. No non-Jew would accept the words of a jew. So Paul began to work around that "Jew" thing, in order to attract followers.
Many scholars refer to the early church as the "Pauline Church" for this reason. Paul was ersponsible for the "Jesus is God" stuff, largely to attract converts. As a consequence of this belief, Jews distanced themselves from thisd movement.
Thus began the schism, the turning away of the Jesus movement from Jews. Rome recognized how fast this movement was growing. As Rome struggled to keep up with its own growth, it had to placate all of those who had come to believe in this movement, and defuse a lot of the hostility toward Rome engendered by the movement.
So Rome adopted Christianity as the official state relgion. At the time, Rome was celebrating a festival called "Saturnalia" at the end of its year. Well, Romans liked the festival, but as part of the new "state religion" thing, they changed the reason for the festival to "Christmas", and celebrated Jesus's birth.
The church also moved itself to Rome. It is
incomprehensible that a movement staretd by Jews, as this clearly was, would ever centralize at the seat of an occupying power. By the time that occurred, teh movement had been bastardized.
The church and the jews:
The church has a long history of antt-Judiasm. St Augustine railed against the Jews, saying that "they must survive, but never thrive". The Crusades resulted in a lot of jews getting killed, as did the Inqusition. (Fully one-third of Columbus's ships were Jews, escaping the Inquisition).
Hitler used the anti- Jewish railings of Martin Luther to fuel the SS, and in coutnries such as Poland, local Catholics had rounded the Jews up in order to present them to the approaching germans.
Why all this hatred? Because the jews were the one thing that stood out as the obvious flaw in the church's teachings. The church had to discredit Jews as much as possible. By discrediting the Jews, the church legitimized itslef. By eliminating the Jews, the church would have no group that could point out the total fraud to the church's origin. This is why there are so many effots made by the church to kill Jews.
Chrsitainty is rooted in Jews. Jews didn;t reject Jesus. The church rejected jews.
I am done. I hope you will do your own research and learn more.
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