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plurmurphy

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Ive been told by many people that HCG is essential and 100% needed and ive been told by many its a waste of time and money. They have said you can come off a cycle fine by using nolvadex if you have to or just tapering off for example if you start at 500mgs in week 1. From week 1 to week 10 you would slowly work your way down from 500mgs to 100mgs and then use some sort of supplement that raises ur test levels and come off like that.
 
plurmurphy said:
Ive been told by many people that HCG is essential and 100% needed and ive been told by many its a waste of time and money. They have said you can come off a cycle fine by using nolvadex if you have to or just tapering off for example if you start at 500mgs in week 1. From week 1 to week 10 you would slowly work your way down from 500mgs to 100mgs and then use some sort of supplement that raises ur test levels and come off like that.
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tapering wont make it easier to recover, once your HPTA is shut down, its shut down...well supressed..no one is really ever completely shut down...that being said...HCG at this point is needed..yes i have heard some guys dont really need HCG and recover fine without it...but its your call if you want to see what side of the coin you land on...personally i like to play it safe.
 
yes to answer simply, a lot of guys get by on just clomid and nolva but in order to recover fully imo you must bring your testes back to size, they produce all the testosterone and thus aid your recovery. i will use now and i am on eq no test at all. ive tried it different ways to, the mon wed fri approach doesn't work near as well as 10 days straight for me with nolva clomid and aifm
 
not really when it is really cold it stings a bit, just go im in your glute and warm it up bit. no biggie at all. i don't even feel it
 
bruce410 said:
not really when it is really cold it stings a bit, just go im in your glute and warm it up bit. no biggie at all. i don't even feel it
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haha.. you think HCG hurts, shoot up some Boldenone propionate.. Also, I had some serious pains with 150mg/mL test suspension..

I actually enjoy injecting HCG cuz I know that within a couple days my balls are going to be as big as baseballs.. :) ....And my fuck buddy LOVES sucking on balls.. You have any idea how sexy a woman sounds when she's sucking on your balls saying "Your balls are so big baby?" It's a beautiful thing!

T-Matt
 
lol at matt. haha. shit i get class a head but no ball sucking. they vary in size too much and i don't want to be questioned about that. lol
 
bruce410 said:
lol at matt. haha. shit i get class a head but no ball sucking. they vary in size too much and i don't want to be questioned about that. lol
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haha... It's a good thing you're not bitter about your disproportional balls.. ;op

Class A head down in that real dirty dirty sounds good to me.. I'ma have to roll down and hang with you and you can come up and chill with Winky and the whole gang.. He hooks it up and we don't fuck around.. You hesitate, you masturbate..

T-Matt
 
problem is i am not single brotha. i'm coming down there with her. i won't be masturbating and i wont' hesitate to pass a ho over to you lol
 
soo bruce for hcg 500ius everyday for 10 days sound right?. Approx how many ius with the liquid solution added do you think equals 1ml/1cc or .5ml/.5cc
 
man you got to get a vial of bac. there are 10000 threads on this. get a vial, make it have 5ml for every 5000ius you have, then every ml is 1000ius. mix the bac with the powder and shoot it back in the vial once youve measured out the right amount of water
 
bruce410 said:
man you got to get a vial of bac. there are 10000 threads on this. get a vial, make it have 5ml for every 5000ius you have, then every ml is 1000ius. mix the bac with the powder and shoot it back in the vial once youve measured out the right amount of water
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I've never fucked with HCG and I probably should given the obscene cycle im currently on... :worried:
 
Why do you feel shut down? and what cycle? O and bruce pm me with your secure email ill send you pics of me now i got a camera
 
I've already suggested AR's PCT protocol to a 55 year old man who hadn't had an erection in 5 years. After about the 3rd week of PCT he said he felt like he was 16 years old all over again.. He lost 3 1/4 inches on his waist and his strength has gone through the roof..

Again.. here is his PCT protocol

Weeks 1-6
20mg nolvadex/day

Weeks 1-3
500iu HCG/day
1,000iu Vitamin E/day

Weeks 1-4
20mgs aromasin/day

This equates to 42 20mg nolvadexes, 10500 iu HCG, 28 20mg aromasins, and a bottle of injectable Vit E..

That is the only PCT I will ever do personally..

T-Matt
 
plurmurphy said:
Why do you feel shut down? and what cycle? O and bruce pm me with your secure email ill send you pics of me now i got a camera
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Bruce...bro..we got to talk, first its that guy and your phone number now its this bro and pics....wanna tell us something LOL
 
I've done cycles with and without and the difference, for me personally anyways, its like night and day. HCG gets me back to normal and I can really feel the difference. The times where I did not use it, I felt like I crashed and it took forever for my system to return to normal. Keep in mind I've only used it for PCT, never during cycle so I can't really comment on that.
 
swordfish... bruce wanted to see pics of me to judge if i should cycle or not what kind of cycle i shoujld do and try to judge my bodyfat percentage
 
plurmurphy said:
swordfish... bruce wanted to see pics of me to judge if i should cycle or not what kind of cycle i shoujld do and try to judge my bodyfat percentage
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I know brotha..just giving you guys a hard time.. :)
 
plurmurphy said:
Ive been told by many people that HCG is essential and 100% needed and ive been told by many its a waste of time and money. They have said you can come off a cycle fine by using nolvadex if you have to or just tapering off for example if you start at 500mgs in week 1. From week 1 to week 10 you would slowly work your way down from 500mgs to 100mgs and then use some sort of supplement that raises ur test levels and come off like that.
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No matter what AAS you take or how you cycle it, your natural test production is going to shut down and be offset for some time. Ppl can just take nolva or clomid, or aromasin alone but that does not reproduce the the exact chemical processes your body goes through when normally functioning. HCG, COMBINED with aromasin, nolva, clomid, armidex, etc. will cover all the bases and make it easier on the body to return to a homeostatic condition. Ppl who say, "I don't need this becasue I feel fine" are stubborn and ignorant. How the fk can you know whats happening on a cellular level? Weekly blood tests for 2 months? Yeah, Ok. Better Safe Than Stupid, Forrest!
 
HCG is not an absolute, gotta have it, part of PCT. It's great to get your testes kicking again after a cycle but they'll start without it. It's more for aesthetic purposes than anything else, during a cycle. If you've done a test only or test eq cycle then you probably don't need it for PCT because the test is self tapering and Clomid with fire up the HPTA again.
 
plurmurphy said:
Why do you feel shut down? and what cycle?
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Im currently running 800EQ/500Test ew for about 24 weeks, and Im going to throw in 50mgs of winny ed in about 2.5 weeks for 7 weeks. Its by far the longest cycle i have ever ran, and everyone I talk to says that anything ran remotely that long you should definitely throw HCG in for PCT.

I have Nolva, Clomid and AIFM on hand currently. So I guess I could scoop up some HCG just to give it a run and see how I like it. Its just completely foreign to me.
 
Ulter said:
HCG is not an absolute, gotta have it, part of PCT. It's great to get your testes kicking again after a cycle but they'll start without it. It's more for aesthetic purposes than anything else, during a cycle. If you've done a test only or test eq cycle then you probably don't need it for PCT because the test is self tapering and Clomid with fire up the HPTA again.
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so utler in an EQ tbol var cycle what would u recomend for PCT?
 
swordfish151 said:
Bruce...bro..we got to talk, first its that guy and your phone number now its this bro and pics....wanna tell us something LOL
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lmfao sword. yes i am a flaming homo. no the guy with the phone numero lives by me, i had a rough month thinking my girl was prego, he hadn't heard from me all weekend. i wanted pics of plur when he made a thread including tren and said he was 19. and i want' to use them tonite emmmm
 
Hey Ulter I know you're the shit on here, but I really don't think HCG is just for aesthetic purposes. Drrman was also saying the same thing about mid-cycle usage, saying it's nice to have big balls, not necessary.

I'm reading stuff, mostly from the links in this forum's stickys, and they all point to the benefit of jumpstarting your HPTA with HCG. There is a pretty clear description on http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/HCG.html that talks about the important benefits this has for pct.

I'm obviously nowhere near your guys' level and I don't pretend to know anything, I'm just reading a lot of stuff that is in direct contradiction to your advice.

Ulter said:
HCG is not an absolute, gotta have it, part of PCT. It's great to get your testes kicking again after a cycle but they'll start without it. It's more for aesthetic purposes than anything else, during a cycle. If you've done a test only or test eq cycle then you probably don't need it for PCT because the test is self tapering and Clomid with fire up the HPTA again.
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Well in this post people are talking about how to use it and that it does work and im sure it does work but theres no actaul proof that it works 100 percent just like how tren supposidly burns fat but its not proven... correct me if im wrong
 
yo i can give you a shit load of info proving it works. i'll post a pic of my nuts before and after hcg use too as well. there is no argument on tren, it is definitive. tren is not a fat burner it is excellent in aiding the process which working out does for you. indirectly with diet and training it aids in quicker lean mass gains and fat loss but is no fat burner. hcg has been proven, it is given to patients by endos for years. why are you so afraid you don't have to inject in your stomach bro
 
Ulter said:
Instant.M I would use clomid/AIFM and use the clomid at 100mg/day for a week and then at 50mg/day for another week. Stay on the AIFM for a while so it can keep your natural test up.

dal22 Yes that would be fine. Or you could use clomid with the AIFM.
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Just outta curiosity Ulter, what would you personally recommend as far as PCT for my current cycle? (posted above)
 
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