Do pros have a high tolerance for juice?

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

If I'm having problems with blood pressure on 500-700mg test/week, how is it that some people take 2 or 3 grams? Shouldn't they be dead? Or do some people have unusually high tolerances for gear. (or maybe I have a low tolerance)

 

[abc 1]

they all have high bp, very high bp. there was an article posted from some magazine or online source where a pro who remained nameless spoke about his health. said his bp was thru the roof everyday, thyroid was destroyed, and pancreas was f'ed up from all the insulin. that was just a few of his sides.

i don't think they have a greater tolerance per say, but a much greater response to the aas than normal people.

 

[Stillgoing]

I would say they have a higher tolerance and they are willing to put up with much greater sides than you are. Tom Prince said one of the genetic factors that makes a pro is a high tolerance for gear.

 

[Dr. M]

How many pro BB'ers and/or wrestlers etc. die at what we would consider a young age?

It's not necessarily a 'tolerance' issue in the pharmacokinetic sense, but more of a willingness to put up with things that would turn most others off. It's their JOB to have a massive, quality physique - sometimes shitty things will pop up but, dedicated to their occupation, these pros endure.

If you were a construction worker, and all of a sudden one day you plastered your hand to a roof with a nailgun (I've seen it happen - my uncle owns a construction company and his roofers have done it a million times), would you all of a sudden decide to give up the occupation? Would you put on thick neoprene-and-chain-mail gloves to protect yourself even though it would SEVERELY hinder your work? Would you slow down from your normal routine, even though at a regular - sometimes dangerous - pace you can finish a roof in one third the time of another roofer with whom you're in direct competition?

Ronnie Coleman probably figures a nail in the hand here and there isn't so bad when he can rake in big bucks, earn the respect of millions, and have the prestige of being Mr. O because sometimes he might make choices which are more in the interests of mass and definition rather than in the interests of health and long life.

-M

 

[Dial_tone]

There are drugs to counteract nearly every side effect out there. Pros can afford regular bloodwork and protective measures. Blood pressure is relatively easy to control.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Dr. M bingo! Its a matter of tolerating the side effects. Some people just can't hack it.

DT is hit the nail on the head as well. Worried about estragen on 5 grams of test? Try 5 mg of letro every day. Blood pressuring getting a bit high? 40 mg of lasix twice a day will handle it, and a bit of that pesky water retention from using 5 grams a week.

Want to eat like a pig on 10,000 cals a day like some pro's without getting that fat? Solution:
300 mg of tren ed
12+ iu's of hgh ed
100 mcg of t3 ed
100 mcg of clen ed
... when bulking and you will gain very little fat, even on 10K cals with a couple junk food meals every day. What it all comes down to, is how many drugs can you afford, and how much are you willing to risk pumping into your body. This is how the pro's solve their problems. Either higher doses of drugs or just add another drug to handle it.

 

[Dr. M]

BBF's got a good cycle going there...

... if you can afford $10k per month worth of gear, that is.

Don't we all wish we could?

-M

 

[BigAndy69]

Pros do not use as much gear as some people think. Some over do it and have to pose nude and suck dick (literaly) to afford it.

Most guys will use a heavy base of Test like 3g a week, some Deca some dbol and 4-10ius of GH with all the insulin. That's just about average.

Pre Contest, they will use the fancier stuff like Tren, winny, Anadrol...ect

Some of them have chemists who make there products for them, it's not that expensive.

The expensive stuff is the GH and things like Interleukin-15

 

[mlong23]

is it true that alot of the supps. companies will pay for the pros to have their roids. Or could their own scientists make it for them?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

BigAndy has a point. Steroids cost very little to manufacture if you have a chemsit do it for you, or if you do it yourself. HGH, r3-igf-1, and newier compounds such as interleukin-15 (interesting compound... I wouldn't try it myself) are what cost a fortune. The avergage Joe could afford 3 grams of test, a gram of deca and some tren every week easily.

 

[humanoid]

I agree that "tolerance" is often misunderstood. Some believe that they don't respond to low doses or that they have a high tolerance, when in fact they just don't eat properly during a cycle. I've seen far too many people invest incredible time and effort into their cycle only to under eat or load up on junk - and then wonder why they got fat and didn't gain any significant muscle mass or strength.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

humanoid, I agree on people eating junk and wondering why they didn't make the gains they should have. Eating tons of high GI carbs will actually lower the release of a number of anabolic hormones, thus reducing gains. Those who eat a great deal of processed food also injest a signifigant amount of hydrogenated oils as well. Not only are they horrible for your health, and can lead to fat gain... these compounds also greatly reduced the aborbsion of EFA's (which are already deficient in diets relying heavily on junk food), which are needed for efficient muscle growth.

Eating a nutritous diet will always yield better gains in lbm than a diet high in processed foods.

 

[Stillgoing]

Dr. M bingo! Its a matter of tolerating the side effects. Some people just can't hack it.

DT is hit the nail on the head as well. Worried about estragen on 5 grams of test? Try 5 mg of letro every day. Blood pressuring getting a bit high? 40 mg of lasix twice a day will handle it, and a bit of that pesky water retention from using 5 grams a week.

Want to eat like a pig on 10,000 cals a day like some pro's without getting that fat? Solution:
300 mg of tren ed
12+ iu's of hgh ed
100 mcg of t3 ed
100 mcg of clen ed
... when bulking and you will gain very little fat, even on 10K cals with a couple junk food meals every day. What it all comes down to, is how many drugs can you afford, and how much are you willing to risk pumping into your body. This is how the pro's solve their problems. Either higher doses of drugs or just add another drug to handle it.

Good post.

 

[needsize]

Everyone responds different and gets different sides. My cruuect cycle is 800mg enth, 500mg deca, 500mg eq, and kickstarted with 100mg anadrol a day, which I bumped up to 150mg. I just went to see the doc last week, blood work checks out fine, and on all that my blood pressure was only 140/80

 

[BigAndy69]

I know many pros here in Canada, I've even helped a top placer at the Ms Olympia a few years back. She loves Tren...

Anyway, most of these guys eat an insane amount of calories a day. They do not eat clean! Especially during the offseason. Try getting 8-10k calories ED from clean food. Simply impossible.

They cut the fast food out during precontest and only about 4 weeks out do they truly start eating clean.

Despite all the junk food they stay lean year round.

With GH at 4-10ius daily, T3 at 250-400mcg and elite genetics (and sometimes 200-500mcg of clen), it's impossible to get fat no matter what they eat.

Yea but what about Lee Priest!

Lee Priest has serious well documented heart problems so he does not use stimulants (T3/Clen) during the off season. He still eats just about the same way every other pro does.

These guys for the most part love pre contest dieting. They don't have to eat as many calories, which is the toughest part of bbing at that level

There cycles center mainly on high levels of Test:

This is typical for offseason IMO:

3000mg of Test Cyp
400-600mg of Deca
Dbol at 75-100mg to jump start the cycle
Insulin
GH
T3

They usually have a chemist making the Test and Deca.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Good points, and similar to what I said. BTW I've eaten 8000 clean calories a day before, but I have an insane appetite. As I said in another of your posts BigAndy, I'm able to easily take in 500 grams of protien a day without shakes. I generally eat 5 ibs of meat a day when bulking.

 

[BigAndy69]

Good points, and similar to what I said. BTW I've eaten 8000 clean calories a day before, but I have an insane appetite. As I said in another of your posts BigAndy, I'm able to easily take in 500 grams of protien a day without shakes. I generally eat 5 ibs of meat a day when bulking.

Can you get 8k clean calories a day for 6 months EVERY DAY...lol No way...unless you are a machine.

 

[Stillgoing]

Good post Andy. Agreed.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Not 6 months. LoL I've done it for 3 though. If it helps explain, I was 35% bf when I started training (competed at 4% just over a year later), and am a compulsive overeater. When dieting down, I'm pretty much starving all the time, and have to deal with the hunger pains on 3500 calories a day constantly, but I've learned to deal with it. Keto diets help.

 

[psychedout]

This thread was a great read so far. ^

 

[BigAndy69]

Not 6 months. LoL I've done it for 3 though. If it helps explain, I was 35% bf when I started training (competed at 4% just over a year later), and am a compulsive overeater. When dieting down, I'm pretty much starving all the time, and have to deal with the hunger pains on 3500 calories a day constantly, but I've learned to deal with it. Keto diets help.

Haha, yes I had an overeating problem as a Teen and I was about 20%. I played hockey so I didn't get too fat, but it is definetely easier for us endo/overeaters, Dieting was hell for me until I learned how to focus. I can't cheat more than once every 12-14 days otherwise I lose it.

Eating not so clean is a lot easier and on the drugs these guys are on, there's no point in eating all clean.

Also, most of these guys party VERY hard. When I had my partying phase (lasted 2-3months) I would see Greg Kovacs everytime I was at an afterhours in Toronto, fucked out of his mind.

He's always at Film in TO; nice guy. Of course all that Xtc can make anyone nice.

He got up to dance one time and he had to sit back down and started throwing up between his legs.