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Do blind people dream?

Seashell

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If someone was born blind, what do they see when they dream?

Does the mind make up visual representations of the things they feel or hear?

Kind of like how we sometimes have an image of a person we've never met, how we think they'd look. But if a blind person has never even seen another human being, they can't really do that can they?

I know no blind people. Someone tell me how this works.
 
I've often wondered this.
Do they only dream in audio? If so, is it mono or stereo?
 
I think they dream in ideas and shapes I have heard.

Apparently once there was a blind man who somehow suddenly got his vision back one day (don't ask me how), but he killed himself a few days after due to depression.
 
Code said:
I've often wondered this.
Do they only dream in audio? If so, is it mono or stereo?

It is actually in Dolby Digital 5.1, but they are not allowed to say that since it was trademarked...

Fookers....
 
Code said:
I've often wondered this.
Do they only dream in audio? If so, is it mono or stereo?

If it were up to Ted Turner, they all would dream in Technicolor.

Also, if a deaf person screamed in a forest with no one around, would anyone hear him?
 
Seashell said:
If someone was born blind, what do they see when they dream?

Does the mind make up visual representations of the things they feel or hear?

Kind of like how we sometimes have an image of a person we've never met, how we think they'd look. But if a blind person has never even seen another human being, they can't really do that can they?

I know no blind people. Someone tell me how this works.

When you're blind, all your other perceptions like touch, smell, and hearing are enhanced.

He could dream about the smell of food, of a rose, the touch of a cats fur, or even the noise of a car speeding by.
 
blind people dream of Seashell's body pressed tightly against them.

oh wait, that's what i dream of.

hmmm, can i pretend i'm blind so i can feel all over you Seasweetie so i have something to dream about? :p
 
I wish the blind surfed the internet more often.
I would SOOO hook with blind chick, she'd never know I was fat!
 
Seashell said:
If someone was born blind, what do they see when they dream?

Does the mind make up visual representations of the things they feel or hear?

Kind of like how we sometimes have an image of a person we've never met, how we think they'd look. But if a blind person has never even seen another human being, they can't really do that can they?

I know no blind people. Someone tell me how this works.

They dream of canadians asking dumb questions to a clueless audience.
 
Code said:
I wish the blind surfed the internet more often.
I would SOOO hook with blind chick, she'd never know I was fat!
She could probably figure out that you're fat. You're good with the ugly though, I don't think you can feel that. :D
 
BileStew said:
Yea, by asking how big his monitor is.


man, I thought that was seabiscuit in your avatar.
 
Dial_tone said:
man, I thought that was seabiscuit in your avatar.

He would have to be beheaded if he had posted a seabiscuit in his avvy.

Blind People do dream, dreaming is about processing information stored in your subconscience. The point is dreaming is mental not visual. Now, with that said, I have no clue what a blind person's dream would be like.

How do you think of these things? Slow day at the office seahoney?
 
Sh4dowF4lcon said:
He would have to be beheaded if he had posted a seabiscuit in his avvy.

lol, I run around all day without my head attached anyway. Actually having the thing lopped off wouldn't be a bad idea.

Plus, ShellBell is better looking then the chick in my avi.
 
Seashell said:
Well then grace us maroons with an answer, genius. :)

maroons, awesome.

Dreams are not extremely well understood, but they are rooted in perceptions and experiences that are stored in the brain. People who have lost their sight after having it can 'see' in their dreams. Dreams happen in the brain, not the eye.

Sighted people use their sight to gather much of their observations, but all senses are used. Without a sense of sight, other senses collect data to determine perceptions.

Perceptions are the roots of dreams.

My turn with a dumb question:

Do you celebrate St Patrick's day in Canada?
 
In a special letter form Helen Keller, she relates what dreaming was like before her teacher:

"My dreams have strangely changed during the past twelve years. Before and after my teacher first came to me, they were devoid of sound, of thought or emotion of any kind, except fear, and only came in the form of sensations. I would often dream that I ran into a still, dark room, and that, while I stood there, I felt something fall heavily without any noise, causing the floor to shake up and down violently; and each time I woke up with a jump. As I learned more and more about the objects around me, this strange dream ceased to haunt me; but I was in a high state of excitement and received impressions very easily. It is not strange then that I dreamed at the time of a wolf, which seemed to rush towards me and put his cruel teeth deep into my body! I could not speak (the fact was, I could only spell with my fingers), and I tried to scream; but no sound escaped from my lips. It is very likely that I had heard the story of Red Riding Hood, and was deeply impressed by it. This dream, however, passed away in time, and I began to dream of objects outside myself".

Source
 
Blind hear, feel dreams more than see


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BY DEBORAH KENDRICK
The Cincinnati Enquirer
A Cincinnati reader wrote this week to ask a question.

''How do blind people dream?'' the person asked. ''If people are blind since birth, do they have visual images in their dreams or is everything audio? It's probably a stupid question, but I've always wondered.''

Well, it's not a stupid question, and it's one that seems to fascinate everyone I ask - blind or not.

Because my own dream life is the one I know best, I'll begin with it.

I lost my sight as a child and can still remember a few very visual (and highly emotionally charged) dreams from childhood. As a teen-ager, I remember waking from a dream and realizing there was no color - there once had been - and experiencing a real sense of loss.

Later, I began to realize that solid visual images had dimmed to outlines. Today, I think of it as ''seeing without seeing'' in my dreams. In other words, I have the awareness that sight would bring without the visual component.

Clinical psychologist Michael Lichstein, who also lost his sight in childhood, explains it much more coherently.

''My dream world,'' Dr. Lichstein says, ''is very much like my non-dream world, except that there's a sort of ESP quality to it. I may know that a person is endorsing something I've said, for example, by shaking their head. I don't necessarily see that motion, but have an awareness that it is happening.''

For people who have never seen, however, dreams are purely audio, void of visual images.

''It's like old-time radio,'' says Jim Tudor, a local broadcast professional who was born without sight.

''Except there must be some kind of physical element to it. I know I must experience touching and feeling in my dreams as well as the audio because I know where I am, know the environment. Something is cluing me in as to whether I'm in an old house or an office building, so there's more than just the passive listening going on.''

For someone who loses sight gradually over a period of years, dreams seem to follow the pattern of vision in reality.

Bryan Bashin, executive director for the Sacramento Society for the Blind, began losing his sight with a serious illness in his early teens. Vision diminished gradually through the years, so that a dream reflecting his reality today, at age 43, might include ''an amorphous blob'' drawn across everything in the scene.

''At first, after a dramatic loss of vision,'' he recalls, ''my dreams were perfect. But after four or five years, they reflected the same limited vision that I knew in reality.''

From there, Mr. Bashin's dreams have continued to lag behind his real-time vision loss by a year or two.

''I remember one dream where I was having a conversation in French, and the whole focus of the dream was the mental exercise of constructing the sentences. In another, the tactile experience of holding a coin was the central profound image. That first dream with absolutely no visual component was a shock. Usually, my dreams pretty closely match my (minimal) vision in real time.''

Like any question connected with dreams, this one has no simple answer and an intriguing range of possible configurations. To understand how a blind person dreams depends clearly on two things:

The time and degree of vision lost.

Some understanding of the experience of blindness itself.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
maroons, awesome.

Dreams are not extremely well understood, but they are rooted in perceptions and experiences that are stored in the brain. People who have lost their sight after having it can 'see' in their dreams. Dreams happen in the brain, not the eye.

Sighted people use their sight to gather much of their observations, but all senses are used. Without a sense of sight, other senses collect data to determine perceptions.

Perceptions are the roots of dreams.

My turn with a dumb question:

Do you celebrate St Patrick's day in Canada?

Nope....sensory perceptions are stored chemicaly and chronologically in the brain. If you've never seen anything, you don't have those memories........therefore you can't dream about them.
 
I have the Story of Helen Keller at my house in Madrid.

Great Book.

Probably one of the most compassionate books I have ever read.
 
Fonz said:
When you're blind, all your other perceptions like touch, smell, and hearing are enhanced.

He could dream about the smell of food, of a rose, the touch of a cats fur, or even the noise of a car speeding by.
That is not neccessarily true. If you are blind you must take more advantage of your other senses, because you cannot see. This is obvious. But if I woke up blind tommorow my auditory, smell, taste, and touching senses would not be automatically enhanced. Any enhancing would be the result of time and work, and subsequently anyone, blind or not, could enhance their senses this same way. So if one was blind and they were surrounded by specific circumstances their senses would not enhance. But for the most part, what you said is true.

Plus I think I read somewhere that it is a false assumption that the blind have better senses. I'll look for the link.
 
If blind people's other senses are highten then they must end up humping the bed alot.
 
i read an article once that some blind people do actually dream visual images, in color no less! then after retinal transplants etc and they have vision for the first time in their lives, they say that they have 'seen' those colors before, in their dreams

it was really really interesting...but it was in a magazine not online
 
Fonz said:
Nope....sensory perceptions are stored chemicaly and chronologically in the brain. If you've never seen anything, you don't have those memories........therefore you can't dream about them.

exactly.

I know guy who has very low vision. He dreams of images, but only of things he has seen.
 
Since their senses are hightened, wouldn't they be able to form images by touching things and then have that half assed image to dream about???

Whiskey
 
" Yes, blind people do dream. What they see in their dreams depends on how much they could ever see. If someone has been totally blind since birth, they only have auditory dreams. If someone such as I, has had a measure of sight, then that person dreams with that measure of sight. I still dream as though I can see, colors included. For people I've met since, their faces are just blurs or how I imagine they look. To me, someone like my mother looks forever 30. "
 
Fonz said:
Nope....sensory perceptions are stored chemicaly and chronologically in the brain. If you've never seen anything, you don't have those memories........therefore you can't dream about them.

no.

sensory perceptions are the combination of afferent stimulus and cerebral processing.

it is possible for your brain to come up with a result- a memory, a feeling, an idea, a sense- that would otherwise only have been produced as a result of afferent stimulus and subsequent processing.

read up about signal transduction in the human organism before you make sweeping statements, or are you trying to propagate neurology as your new area of expertise
 
"An "auditory dream" is a dream with only sounds and no images. Basically, the dreams of someone who's been blind from birth are just like the dreams that you have - just without the pictures.

People's dreams are based on the things they experience in their lives. That is to say that in a way, our dreams are based on our memories. So a person who has never experienced "seeing" will not dream using sight. This is just like how you do not dream with sonar images, as humans can not use sonar. Perhaps animals like bats, if they do dream (I don't know if they do or not) dream in sonar. ;)

As for your last question, the images that we see in our dreams aren't real light - they're signals within our brains that we experience the same way we would experience light. So light is neither stored nor produced. You could say that our minds "play tricks on us" to make us think we're seeing light when it's not really there. "
 
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