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Nelson Montana said:
WTF Nelson?? That's totally out of line. I suppose Big Cat is an idiot too.
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Do ANY prohormones work? My take on them and the questions I have...
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WTF Nelson?? That's totally out of line. I suppose Big Cat is an idiot too.
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Telling the truth is out of line?
Fact: Pat arnold sells prohormones.
Fact: 1fast, the guru supplement watchdog over at bb.com sells prohormones.
How can you say they'd give a unbiased appraisal of prohormones? Why do you defend them? Because they're popular? I would think you'd know better.
I don't know who who Big Cat is .
And one more thing. I called no one an idiot so please stop this habit you have of replacing peoples words with your own projections.
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Nelson Montana said:
Yeah, Pat Arnold sells Prohormones and you sell books. What's the difference?? You promote your theories and he promotes products. He has happens to be one of the foremost authorities when it comes to various Prohormones, which is what the thread starter what inquiring about. Also, referring to someone as a vacuum cleaner saleman is a compliment???
Furthermore, you know exactly who Big Cat is. He's the head Mod over at BB.com that tore you a new one several times. I'm not going to post links because I have agreed to keep things civil with you. You pulled this same shit with SwoleCat about his diet plan that seems to be working excellent for many people.
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Is Big Cat the steroid authority who never used steroids? What a laugh.
You're a perfect example of the type of people these scheisters love. You go to bat for them because you're so impressed with anyone who cuts and pastes information from somewhere else.
Yes, I sell my books and PA sells his supps and he has a right to say my books stink and I have a right to say his products stink. Actually, I'm holding off on the 6 OXO. I've heard good things but I want to see for myself. I'll be fair. But you, JA, you just want to be a part of the "winning team". You back up people like Big Cat because he has all the kids over a BB.com convinced he's the shit. You're just a follower without an original thought of your own.
You're a perfect example of the type of people these scheisters love. You go to bat for them because you're so impressed with anyone who cuts and pastes information from somewhere else.
Yes, I sell my books and PA sells his supps and he has a right to say my books stink and I have a right to say his products stink. Actually, I'm holding off on the 6 OXO. I've heard good things but I want to see for myself. I'll be fair. But you, JA, you just want to be a part of the "winning team". You back up people like Big Cat because he has all the kids over a BB.com convinced he's the shit. You're just a follower without an original thought of your own.
I thought you guys were gonna ignore each other....lol
JA, you know nelson is right on this one, I don't listen to Muscletech ads even when they have pretty charts and graphs, the prohormone thing is ridiculous, of course these guys want you to trust them so they can sell their shit and make money. Nelson wants the same things, you don't listen to Nelson when he says his book is the shit do you....lol
JA, you know nelson is right on this one, I don't listen to Muscletech ads even when they have pretty charts and graphs, the prohormone thing is ridiculous, of course these guys want you to trust them so they can sell their shit and make money. Nelson wants the same things, you don't listen to Nelson when he says his book is the shit do you....lol
I think what Nelson is getting at is that PA isnt going to say PH's suck becuase he sells them....No sale...No Profit...
Seriously do you think he gives a shit what gains you get or dont get...they just care what kinda money you are handing over to that business since they all reap the benefits...
Seriously do you think he gives a shit what gains you get or dont get...they just care what kinda money you are handing over to that business since they all reap the benefits...
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Transdermal DMSO preps of 1-Test/4AD work wonderfully
I gained as much size and strength from my first cycle of transdermal 1Test/4AD as I did from Fina/SUST
Only drawback was skin irritation from DMSO AND receptor saturation happens within 3 to 4 weeks with 1 Test so you have to do REALLY short cycles.
Fina just fucks with my nuts way too bad to ever use that shit again.
None of this shit works orally because you have to take ridiculous amounts of it. You either have to go transdermal (DMSO/Plogel) or you gotta inject them.
They work. Period.
Transdermal DMSO preps of 1-Test/4AD work wonderfully
I gained as much size and strength from my first cycle of transdermal 1Test/4AD as I did from Fina/SUST
Only drawback was skin irritation from DMSO AND receptor saturation happens within 3 to 4 weeks with 1 Test so you have to do REALLY short cycles.
Fina just fucks with my nuts way too bad to ever use that shit again.
None of this shit works orally because you have to take ridiculous amounts of it. You either have to go transdermal (DMSO/Plogel) or you gotta inject them.
They work. Period.
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Nelson Montana said:
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this. I don't need to listen to anyone else's success stories with PH's (be it Patrick Arnold's or 1fast's), all I need to know is my own personal results with them, and I can say this, it's a hell of alot more than a placebo effect.
When used properly and when the necessary ancillaries are taken to combat sides, you can get very real results with very little sides effects (and it's also legal, which steroids aren't; and although you may not care, this is a concern for some people).
I've blown right through a plateau I've been stuck at for the last 3 years with the use of 1-AD and a 4-AD transdermal, and the only side effect I noticed was a drop in libido.
So you can sit there and blow smoke up everyone's ass by saying "they suck, they suck, they suck, they suck"...............but until you can provide some real proof, please give it a rest.
im very aware of this being my first post, and hence not being terribly trustworthy. as well as my lack of chemical knowledge, but since i came across this thread i figured i might as well weigh in with some ph experience.
first of all, most ph's are 17a methylated, i sadly dont know if this have the same effect as being alkylated. but my common sense, and low knowledge of chemistry tells me there's some connection (methylalcoloids).
second up, i have some experience with aas, namely sustanon 250. which was indeed effective. without going to much into pointless detail, i enjoyed it, and had very few sides. (a bit of back pain towards the end of the cycle, ordinary libido, and some strength gains).
after loosing my supplier, i decided to give ph's a try. did a bit of research, and ended up with stacking superdrol and cyanostane 20/40mg daily for 2 weeks, and 30/60mg for 2 weeks. although i wasnt seeing the same gains as with 750 mg of sustanon a week, i was seeing larger strength gains. (while admittedly not following my diet, or exercise plan as well as i should have). my liver took a bit of a bigger hit but was back to norman a few weeks later, i had some nausea for an hour or 2 briefly after eating the tablets, i had sore joints for the last 2 weeks, and i was horny as hell from day 3 and onwards. while making less mass gains, i ended up keeping a larger percentage of them after the end of my pct.
comparatively, sustanon ended up giving me roughly 7 kg's/15lb's, and the ph stack gave me roughly 5kg's/10.5lb's, with a slight decrease in body fat over a 2 weeks shorter cycle with heavier sides, and larger strength gains.
i guess what im trying to say, is something like: my research tells me that ph's should have an effect, but that since they're not as potent but just as toxic, dosages, and sides will have to be higher. my personal experience tells me that they do work, but that they end up being just as expensive. given that you will need a lot more supplements to protect your liver and joints (on occasion viagra), and a longer and more expensive pct. if i had the luxury of choice at the moment, i would probably go with a proper aas, but given the lack of supply, im willing to live with the extra sides and do it again.
im about to start experimenting with epistane, on a 50mg a day 5 week cycle, with a 3 day ramp up to the 50 mg's a day. and if anyone is interested, i will gladly share my experience.
first of all, most ph's are 17a methylated, i sadly dont know if this have the same effect as being alkylated. but my common sense, and low knowledge of chemistry tells me there's some connection (methylalcoloids).
second up, i have some experience with aas, namely sustanon 250. which was indeed effective. without going to much into pointless detail, i enjoyed it, and had very few sides. (a bit of back pain towards the end of the cycle, ordinary libido, and some strength gains).
after loosing my supplier, i decided to give ph's a try. did a bit of research, and ended up with stacking superdrol and cyanostane 20/40mg daily for 2 weeks, and 30/60mg for 2 weeks. although i wasnt seeing the same gains as with 750 mg of sustanon a week, i was seeing larger strength gains. (while admittedly not following my diet, or exercise plan as well as i should have). my liver took a bit of a bigger hit but was back to norman a few weeks later, i had some nausea for an hour or 2 briefly after eating the tablets, i had sore joints for the last 2 weeks, and i was horny as hell from day 3 and onwards. while making less mass gains, i ended up keeping a larger percentage of them after the end of my pct.
comparatively, sustanon ended up giving me roughly 7 kg's/15lb's, and the ph stack gave me roughly 5kg's/10.5lb's, with a slight decrease in body fat over a 2 weeks shorter cycle with heavier sides, and larger strength gains.
i guess what im trying to say, is something like: my research tells me that ph's should have an effect, but that since they're not as potent but just as toxic, dosages, and sides will have to be higher. my personal experience tells me that they do work, but that they end up being just as expensive. given that you will need a lot more supplements to protect your liver and joints (on occasion viagra), and a longer and more expensive pct. if i had the luxury of choice at the moment, i would probably go with a proper aas, but given the lack of supply, im willing to live with the extra sides and do it again.
im about to start experimenting with epistane, on a 50mg a day 5 week cycle, with a 3 day ramp up to the 50 mg's a day. and if anyone is interested, i will gladly share my experience.
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