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TwinGATs said:
Are you from the midwest, bro? Just curious...
Anyway, if I processed that post of yours correctly, someone recomended using DNP post cycle b/c it will lower T3 levels? Are you fucking serious!?!? That's hilarious.
Personally, I recomend having your thyroid gland re-moved after a cycle to better retain gains....
Re: Re: DNP post cycle
Andy, you seriously need to read up on DNP.
Post-cycle DNP use is a very good option.
Why?
T3 in the body comes from 2 sources.
Endogeneously produced T3(by the thyroid), AND
FROM THE CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
The majority(80%) of the T3 in your body COMES FROM THE
CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
Now, you uneducated fool, 2,4 dinitrophenol BLOCKS
the conversion of the inactive T4 to the active T3
and hence lowers T3 levels.
Result: DECREASED PROTEIN DEGRADATION!!!!
This aforementioned reason is why DNP is anti-proteolytic.
Godspeed
Andy13 said:
Andy, you seriously need to read up on DNP.
Post-cycle DNP use is a very good option.
Why?
T3 in the body comes from 2 sources.
Endogeneously produced T3(by the thyroid), AND
FROM THE CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
The majority(80%) of the T3 in your body COMES FROM THE
CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
Now, you uneducated fool, 2,4 dinitrophenol BLOCKS
the conversion of the inactive T4 to the active T3
and hence lowers T3 levels.
Result: DECREASED PROTEIN DEGRADATION!!!!
This aforementioned reason is why DNP is anti-proteolytic.
Godspeed
TwinGATs said:
Sorry about that, I should have pointed out that my post was
directed towards Andy not you.
Carbing up before a DNP cycle is LUDICROUS btw.
Andy needs to go back and hit the books again.
The most fat lost while on a DNP cycle is when glycogen
stores are empty. This is also when the lethargy hits
you BAD. This is around the beginning of Day 2 when
carb-depleting beforehand.
If you carbed up, your glycogen stores would be
empty around Day 4/5.
Thats 3 days where Mega fat loss was curbed due to the
high glycogen content.
Godspeed
Fonz.... I just finished a DNP cycle Saturday, when or should I add T3 and how much to my next DNP cycle? I would like to start as soon as possible. Also should I get enough T3 to carry out the full pyramid cycle of T3 or just to supplement the DNP?-- I do have plenty of anavar and winny to prevent loosing muscle on T3.
Thanks BRO!
Thanks BRO!
Andy, you seriously need to read up on DNP.
I know.. It's something I've been meaning to do
Post-cycle DNP use is a very good option.
disagree
Why?
T3 in the body comes from 2 sources.
Endogeneously produced T3(by the thyroid), AND
FROM THE CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
The majority(80%) of the T3 in your body COMES FROM THE
CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
right-o
Now, you uneducated fool, 2,4 dinitrophenol BLOCKS
the conversion of the inactive T4 to the active T3
and hence lowers T3 levels.
oh come on... "uneducated fool?" can't you do any better than that?
Result: DECREASED PROTEIN DEGRADATION!!!!
This aforementioned reason is why DNP is anti-proteolytic.
So DNP is anti-proteolytic b/c it lowers T3 levels? Then WHY THE HELL would anyone want to supplement T3 while on DNP?
You know what's funny is that a lot of guys (I didn't say you) take T3 during their steroid cycles because they say it "increases protein synthesis." These two concepts seem quite contradictory to me. Can you clear this up?
Andy
I know.. It's something I've been meaning to do
Post-cycle DNP use is a very good option.
disagree
Why?
T3 in the body comes from 2 sources.
Endogeneously produced T3(by the thyroid), AND
FROM THE CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
The majority(80%) of the T3 in your body COMES FROM THE
CONVERSION OF T4 to T3.
right-o
Now, you uneducated fool, 2,4 dinitrophenol BLOCKS
the conversion of the inactive T4 to the active T3
and hence lowers T3 levels.
oh come on... "uneducated fool?" can't you do any better than that?
Result: DECREASED PROTEIN DEGRADATION!!!!
This aforementioned reason is why DNP is anti-proteolytic.
So DNP is anti-proteolytic b/c it lowers T3 levels? Then WHY THE HELL would anyone want to supplement T3 while on DNP?
You know what's funny is that a lot of guys (I didn't say you) take T3 during their steroid cycles because they say it "increases protein synthesis." These two concepts seem quite contradictory to me. Can you clear this up?
Andy
Looks like I'm going to have to do a long post.
I actually got into the same argument with Stew.
Supplementing T3 while on a steroid cycle is beneficial.
Why?
T3(At a dosage of 25mcgs/day MAX) increases
fat,prot,cab metabolism.
In essence T3 is proteolytic in nature. It increases
protein turnover/synthesis and protein degradation.
W/o steroids, usage of T3 is INSANE. You would lose
muscle big-time.
All you Clen+T3 users w/o steroids please read this.
Clen's anti-catabolic effects are only strong enough to
deterr 25mcgs of T3 from eating your muscle.
NOTHING MORE.
You go past 25mcgs/day. YOU WILL LOSE MUSCLE.
W/ steroids. T3 usage becomes synergistic.
While T3 increases both PROTEIN SYNTHESIS
and PROTEIN CATABOLISM, steroids
greatly deterr PROTEIN CATABOLISM.
Result: A small increase in protein synthesis
due to the T3.
A quantifiable number to use would be 10%
extra potential muscle gains if T3 is used
in this way.
Now, DNP+T3 is a very controversial/complicated topic.
I can already feel Macro coming........LOL
DNP burns fat NO MATTER WHAT.
During the first 3-4 days DNP's fat-burning
is at full strength.
then, T4-T3 conversion in the liver is BLOCKED
completely and active T3 levels drastically fall.
This decreases protein degradation but also
decreases fat loss.
THE Addition of 25mcgs T3 would further increase
fat loss while not having an impact on muscle loss.
Assuming steroids are being taken at the time.
If not, then don't take T3. That simple, as you'll
lose some muscle.
In theory, AND I STRESS IN THEORY. The greatest
amount of possible fat loss on a DNP cycle
would be to take:
DNP(whatever dosage you take)+100mcgs T3 daily.
Of course used with AMPLE STEROIDS.
100mcgs T3/day would bring T3 levels back up
to normal, and fat loss would be enhanced.
As you well know Body Temp. drops drastically(to
around 35.8C-36.0C) when T3 levels fall
due to the DNP.
With the addition of T3, Body Temp would go back up to
37.0C.
Of course, muscle loss at this dosage of T3 would
be unpredictable.
This is the reason why I indicate no more than
25mcgs/day, as the protein degradation caused
by this dosage can be easily controlled.
Godspeed
I actually got into the same argument with Stew.
Supplementing T3 while on a steroid cycle is beneficial.
Why?
T3(At a dosage of 25mcgs/day MAX) increases
fat,prot,cab metabolism.
In essence T3 is proteolytic in nature. It increases
protein turnover/synthesis and protein degradation.
W/o steroids, usage of T3 is INSANE. You would lose
muscle big-time.
All you Clen+T3 users w/o steroids please read this.
Clen's anti-catabolic effects are only strong enough to
deterr 25mcgs of T3 from eating your muscle.
NOTHING MORE.
You go past 25mcgs/day. YOU WILL LOSE MUSCLE.
W/ steroids. T3 usage becomes synergistic.
While T3 increases both PROTEIN SYNTHESIS
and PROTEIN CATABOLISM, steroids
greatly deterr PROTEIN CATABOLISM.
Result: A small increase in protein synthesis
due to the T3.
A quantifiable number to use would be 10%
extra potential muscle gains if T3 is used
in this way.
Now, DNP+T3 is a very controversial/complicated topic.
I can already feel Macro coming........LOL
DNP burns fat NO MATTER WHAT.
During the first 3-4 days DNP's fat-burning
is at full strength.
then, T4-T3 conversion in the liver is BLOCKED
completely and active T3 levels drastically fall.
This decreases protein degradation but also
decreases fat loss.
THE Addition of 25mcgs T3 would further increase
fat loss while not having an impact on muscle loss.
Assuming steroids are being taken at the time.
If not, then don't take T3. That simple, as you'll
lose some muscle.
In theory, AND I STRESS IN THEORY. The greatest
amount of possible fat loss on a DNP cycle
would be to take:
DNP(whatever dosage you take)+100mcgs T3 daily.
Of course used with AMPLE STEROIDS.
100mcgs T3/day would bring T3 levels back up
to normal, and fat loss would be enhanced.
As you well know Body Temp. drops drastically(to
around 35.8C-36.0C) when T3 levels fall
due to the DNP.
With the addition of T3, Body Temp would go back up to
37.0C.
Of course, muscle loss at this dosage of T3 would
be unpredictable.
This is the reason why I indicate no more than
25mcgs/day, as the protein degradation caused
by this dosage can be easily controlled.
Godspeed
Fonz what do you think of this? If you could use 25mcg of T3 a day while on 600mgs of DNP could you prolong the cycle to lets say 10 days or 14 days with the same results? With the absents of T3 I stop burning fat around day 5, but if I had t3 could I go for more days or basically till I reach my fat loss goal? I do have the steroids to protect my muscle, so what do you think?
Thanks
Thanks
tyguy said:
You do not stop losing fat on Day 5.
You will always lose fat while on DNP.
For short 7-day cycles, the addition of T3 isn't
necessary in the majority of people.
However, for prolonged cycles,(more than 8 days)
adding T3 will increase fat loss while having
no discernable impact on muscle-loss.
Run 25mcgs T3 with your DNP throughout the length of
your cycle.
Godspeed
Supplementing T3 while on a steroid cycle is beneficial.
Why?
T3(At a dosage of 25mcgs/day MAX) increases
fat,prot,cab metabolism.
In essence T3 is proteolytic in nature. It increases
protein turnover/synthesis and protein degradation.
Its important to understand how T3 works. It works kind of like a steroid. It diffuses through the cell membrane and binds a receptor. This causes transcription of numerous genes. These mRNA transcripts are translated into proteins. The same proteins are made with or without the presence of steroids. So the DIRECT result of T3's action should be the same in a person on AAS and a person not.
T3 deffinetly increases protein synthesis... When these mRNA transcripts are translated, that is synthesizing a protein.. But those are degredary proteins... Unike AAS, which cause MUSCLE protein synthesis. If T3 does indeed cause the synthesis of MUSCLE proteins, can you please point me to the refference that says this? I'm trying to learn too you know.
W/o steroids, usage of T3 is INSANE. You would lose
muscle big-time.
All you Clen+T3 users w/o steroids please read this.
Clen's anti-catabolic effects are only strong enough to
deterr 25mcgs of T3 from eating your muscle.
NOTHING MORE.
You go past 25mcgs/day. YOU WILL LOSE MUSCLE.
Dare I ask just how you quantified that?
W/ steroids. T3 usage becomes synergistic.
can you go into more specific detail?
Why?
T3(At a dosage of 25mcgs/day MAX) increases
fat,prot,cab metabolism.
In essence T3 is proteolytic in nature. It increases
protein turnover/synthesis and protein degradation.
Its important to understand how T3 works. It works kind of like a steroid. It diffuses through the cell membrane and binds a receptor. This causes transcription of numerous genes. These mRNA transcripts are translated into proteins. The same proteins are made with or without the presence of steroids. So the DIRECT result of T3's action should be the same in a person on AAS and a person not.
T3 deffinetly increases protein synthesis... When these mRNA transcripts are translated, that is synthesizing a protein.. But those are degredary proteins... Unike AAS, which cause MUSCLE protein synthesis. If T3 does indeed cause the synthesis of MUSCLE proteins, can you please point me to the refference that says this? I'm trying to learn too you know.
W/o steroids, usage of T3 is INSANE. You would lose
muscle big-time.
All you Clen+T3 users w/o steroids please read this.
Clen's anti-catabolic effects are only strong enough to
deterr 25mcgs of T3 from eating your muscle.
NOTHING MORE.
You go past 25mcgs/day. YOU WILL LOSE MUSCLE.
Dare I ask just how you quantified that?
W/ steroids. T3 usage becomes synergistic.
can you go into more specific detail?
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Andy13 said:
Well, I can't cut&paste because I'm using WebTv but
I can answer two of your questions.
1. Clenbuterols primary mode of mechanism is through
the activation of the beta-2 receptors.
These beta-2 receptors also regulate protein synthesis.
You should know that Caloric exp due to CNS stimulation
increases metabolism.
This increase in metabolism has been measured
at a 3-4% increase in BMR.(In ephedrine and
clenbuterols case)
Now, protein synthesis is enhanced by the B2 activation
but do you really think that its increased by more than
3-4%?????
Studies done on ephedrine and Clen users show
that levels of protein degradation markers(
I believe Lysine levels) showed that people using
the sympathomimmetics experienced a
drop in protein degradation(around 3-4%)
with a corresponding increase in fat oxidation.
Basically, protein was spared for fuel in favour of fat.
The T3 synergism I explained above. Again, I can't paste.
If you however find evidence to refute this, I'd be happy to give
it a look.
Don't forget also that the T3 will increase the amount of fats
being burned.
Result: Less fat gain during a cycle.
You really can't go wrong with it.
Godspeed
Dr.RobertBanner
New member
Good posts Fonz. But I got a question. Why does everyone use dnp alone and not w/juice? This is just my observation, everyone seems to talk about dnp right before or after cycles and not during. I doubt I'll ever do one, but if I did, I'd use some gear during, I thought primo or tren and winny would be good.
WannaImpress
New member
Fonz and Andy13
I have used DNP before for a prolonged period of time.....I liked the results but also lost a good amount of muscle. I am currently on 700mgs of test and 675mgs of fina a week, I want to throw in some DNP at a small dose for a few weeks. Do you guys think it is possible to gain muscle and at the same time lose fat while on DNP?
PS good read guys!
I have used DNP before for a prolonged period of time.....I liked the results but also lost a good amount of muscle. I am currently on 700mgs of test and 675mgs of fina a week, I want to throw in some DNP at a small dose for a few weeks. Do you guys think it is possible to gain muscle and at the same time lose fat while on DNP?
PS good read guys!
Diesel3d
New member
Fonz said:
i want to celar the question up about diet while on DNP.
I see a lot of posts saying that you should have high carb/protien. A lot of carbs from fruit.
If what you say above is true, wouldt DNP work much better on a low carb or CKD type of diet where glycogen stores are always empty being in ketosis fat burning energy mode?
Need to clear this up.
DaIronFist2
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SweOldSchool
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Diesel3d said:
would really like to know too....
Japanese machine
New member
up she goes.
I've had the best experience with medium protein, high carb diet.. and here I'm talking about 40% protein, 60% carbs.
You will get a little hot, but thats how it is..
Acctually I did pre and post training someting like 75%carbs and 25% protein on training days.. If you search the archives you will find a lot of good threads regarding diet on DNP.
Since it's been a while(over a year) since I checked in here, things could have changed, but back then - low carb diets was not reccomended.
Once again, search the archives - it's full of good stuff.
MICHLDAV / V.O.T.N.
You will get a little hot, but thats how it is..
Acctually I did pre and post training someting like 75%carbs and 25% protein on training days.. If you search the archives you will find a lot of good threads regarding diet on DNP.
Since it's been a while(over a year) since I checked in here, things could have changed, but back then - low carb diets was not reccomended.
Once again, search the archives - it's full of good stuff.
MICHLDAV / V.O.T.N.
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