DNP and CKD

[dr_skier]

Not sure if this should be in the diet forum, and please no dnp flames.

Now I know that DNP works by jacking your body temp up and that it uses sugar as fuel to do this. Therefor DNP on a CKD diet woulnd't be a good idea (no carbs, no temperature raise, no dnp fat burn).

Now this is just a theory, but say you were running a CKD diet for 4-8 weeks or whatever time, and you wanted to move over to a low cal diet with simple carbs only and introduce DNP. Would you introduce the dnp on your carb-up day, do your carb-up and then just slowly introduce only simple carbs for the next week while on dnp? What effect would this have on your body?

I was thinking of going from 4-6 weeks of the CKD diet then depending on results switching over to (reduced calorie) moderate simple carb moderate protein deit with the dnp.

Thoughts?

 

[Prizz]

You absolutely need carbs while using DNP...... DNP will burn all your carbs up quick, so you need to keep eating them..... Exactly how many carbs is gonna vary from person to person, but a safe bet is to have few high glycemic carbs with each meal...... I was gonna DNP Flame ya, but I saw your message about No Flames, so I changed my mind.....

rizz

 

[GUESS]

Now just for the record I did not write this article but one of the members here on ELITE did, so I will not take the credit for such a well written article.

Anyhow here you go!




HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this responsibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around, and one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.

THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from you quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always follow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough is enough; don't gauge workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after test after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up

 

[dr_skier]

Can anybody comment on the CKD to DNP (lowdose 200mg/21day run) diet though.
Ending CKD and switching over (in 5 weeks)

 

[mendo]

How were you planning to dose the DNP? A CKD could be risky while on a moderate to high dose of DNP (maybe 300mg +) because you risk a diebetic coma from going hypoglycemic. DNP can really throw you're blood sugar off if you're not getting carbs. At the very least you are more likely to force you're body to attack muscle tissue to keep the fuel supply to you're brain constant. You really do need carbs if you you're on that shit. IMO DNP is risky enough as it is...don't experiment. If you're gonna do it anyway, at least monitor your blood sugar along with your temps.

 

[dr_skier]

That is fair enough. What i was planning on doing once my ckd was done was switching to a low carb/high protein/low-mod fat diet. I was thinking i'll do a final carb-up then i'll cut the carbs back down to my new diet of 50/30/20 type thing, wait a week then go on dnp and switch my carb intake to just simple carbs....I agree, running dnp on a ckd isn't a good idea, never my intent.

 

[Mr.X]

Not sure if this should be in the diet forum, and please no dnp flames.

Now I know that DNP works by jacking your body temp up and that it uses sugar as fuel to do this. Therefor DNP on a CKD diet woulnd't be a good idea (no carbs, no temperature raise, no dnp fat burn).

Now this is just a theory, but say you were running a CKD diet for 4-8 weeks or whatever time, and you wanted to move over to a low cal diet with simple carbs only and introduce DNP. Would you introduce the dnp on your carb-up day, do your carb-up and then just slowly introduce only simple carbs for the next week while on dnp? What effect would this have on your body?

I was thinking of going from 4-6 weeks of the CKD diet then depending on results switching over to (reduced calorie) moderate simple carb moderate protein deit with the dnp.

Thoughts?

If you don't take enough carbs in, you will put yourself in a bad situation. Loss of energy and possible fainting will occur.

IMO, DNP is bad enough, but if you are going to run it at least have 40%carbs in your diet.

I suggest against DNP use, it's not worth it.

 

[iHulk]

If you don't take enough carbs in, you will put yourself in a bad situation. Loss of energy and possible fainting will occur.

IMO, DNP is bad enough, but if you are going to run it at least have 40%carbs in your diet.

I suggest against DNP use, it's not worth it.

what X said:

bro, you don't need it. Trim your diet. be patient. Take thermo supps and do a shit load of HIIT cardio.

 

[Mr.X]

DNP = the deadly diet! literally

 

[Prizz]

It's funny, cause I was thinking about DNP for a while last night after reading this post..... I have done DNP several times back when it first became popular in the late 1990's, and I gotta say it's not really worth it..... 1st off, the constant heat is really annoying and disturbs your life more then you know.... It makes work, and wearing normal clothes next to impossible..... Sleeping is almost impossible cause youre so fucking hot, and you sweat like crazy if you can get to sleep..... 2nd point, you feel like total shit all day every day..... It's hard to describe how you feel, but youre tired and have very little strength to just preform normal daily tasks..... 3rd point, you can't workout due to lack of strength and endurance..... My last point is that you put up with all this, and the fat loss effects aren't as good as you think they're gonna be...... No better then a Clen/T3 stack is, so that is why I feel DNP is not worth it..... I also found that the fat loss you get from DNP will come back as soon as you stop the DNP..... I've never had as bad of a rebound effect like I did with DNP.... Not only that, but it seemed that my metabolism was slowed down after stopping the DNP, so it made future diets less effective.... I have no scientific proof about that last point, but that is how it seemed to me..... If you really have to try it, make sure you don't go too high on the dose, drink tons of water, and eat the correct diet.... Good luck bro....

rizz