Different theory on cycling, thoughts?

[sk*]

This would be better suited for longer cycles, but here was my idea:

Let's say you start off with X mg of gear/week and X calories.
You keep cycling like this until you notice strength doesn't go up (which would basically indicates lbm isn't going up) and at that time you do the following two thing:

1) Add 300 calories more to your diet
2) Add 300mg of more gear

Just keep doing this for the desired amount of time. This would work best with shorter acting gear as it would be easy to add the more gear and keep gaining gradually. Maybe have enanthate, for example, as a base and keep adding more prop or whatever else whenever you notice gains are leveling off.

I believe it is good to start with a small amount of gear on a cycle like this since usually you will grow off of anything in the begining. I am saying this because no matter what happens you will have lost some strength and size from your previous cycle (specially cause you are well above your genetical limit for this type of cycle) and muscle memory along with some steroids can take into effect. As your body starts getting used to it you start adding more and more gear.

Obviously not for beginner as it will shut down your hpta for a long time and I don't plan on ever doing a cycle like this (or any other type of cycle for that matter), but for the competetive people it seems more logical than the cycles I see proposed here.

Anyway that's just my opinion. Thoughts? Comments?

-sk

 

[sk*]

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[Willyumyum]

I wouldn't keep adding 300mg more of gear, but rather - keep switching up the compound... I see where your going with the idea, but it doesn't seem too smart to me.. You'd eventually end up with pretty huge amounts of gear in your body and it'd be bad news, probly...

YUM

 

[sk*]

Didn't necessarily mean same gear, and you wouldn't be switching every week.

-sk

 

[Willyumyum]

well yeah, but your gains wont be going away after a week either....

YUM

 

[sk*]

well yeah, but your gains wont be going away after a week either....

YUM

Yea, so let's say someone's working dose is 2grams/week and they plan on doing a 6month cycle (like I said this type of cycle is for more "professional" cyclers) they would be doing something like this:

week 1-4: 0.5g/week
week 5-10: 1g/week
week 11-16: 1.5g/week
week 17-24: 2g/week

Usually you don't need high dosages of gear to grow (in the begining) if you have been off of a cycle for a while as any little gear will "stimulate" the receptors.

Anyway, it's just an idea ... maybe 500mg will do nothing for someone who is used to 2000mg, but IMO 500mg is much better than being "natural."

-sk

 

[Willyumyum]

Like I said I see where you're going with the idea and all, but I think that every 4-6 week switching compounds would work much better then continually upping your dose ...

YUM

 

[Mr.Holland]

I would just add some Kcals. I always do...
When im on juice, and i stop gainig, i add 200 kcals a day. (40% protein/ 60% complex carbs).
Why would you higher the dose of your gear? Your proteinsynthesis is already way up. In my opinion you just need more kcals cause you're heavier than when you started the cycle.

And i think Willy is right... switching gear works better. 6 weeks of test... stop gaining, even when you add Kcals... than 6 weeks of deca (which works a different receptor).. and so on.
But thats my opinion...

 

[tyhigs]

The experts say theres only one kinda of androgen receptor. what matters is the secondary, non AR effects of the AS.

 

[Mr.Holland]

Which experst do you refer to..
I've red on various sites that the body has receptors for 4 kinds of androgenic hormones. They all are related to the primary male hormone testosterone. You have the 19-nor hormones (which miss one atom in comparisson to testosterone which has 20 atoms), you have DHT- hormones (and its receptors) , of course the test. hormones and one more which i forgot.

Im no expert here, but i the things i've red sounded very reliable.

 

[sk*]

There is the androgen receptor and that's it.

All steroids are a derivetive of testosterone so switching would help some but not as much. Maybe switching between orals and injectables would be of some use ...

Also starting at 600mg/week and gradually adding 300mg every 4weeks will end you up at 2100mg at the 6th month mark.

Anyone wanna be a test dummy and try it and lemme know how it works? I'll write up a sample cycle and show all of you.

-sk

 

[Slyder190]

Switching routines

There's something to be said for switching routines as well, that might keep growth ongoing on an extended cycle. I'm not hot on the idea of upping your doses so fast. I can't help but wonder what would happen when you came off and started back up again. I'd try switching compounds and adding calories as well.

 

[sk*]

Re: Switching routines

There's something to be said for switching routines as well, that might keep growth ongoing on an extended cycle. I'm not hot on the idea of upping your doses so fast. I can't help but wonder what would happen when you came off and started back up again. I'd try switching compounds and adding calories as well.

Well bro I am willing to bet you haven't done too many cycles. This cycle is for more advanced users who have a lot of cycles under their belt, and it is just a way to help keep growing as the cycle progesses.

-sk

 

[Willyumyum]

See I'm sure you would make gains on the 'added dose' cycle that you are proposing, so if you go on it you WILL make gains... What I am saying is, why increase the dose when, most likely, it isn't necessary... That's all I'm proposing... You know I'm just looking out for your health, that's the main concern... No one wants to see anyone get hurt from using too much gear...

YUM

 

[sk*]

See I'm sure you would make gains on the 'added dose' cycle that you are proposing, so if you go on it you WILL make gains... What I am saying is, why increase the dose when, most likely, it isn't necessary... That's all I'm proposing... You know I'm just looking out for your health, that's the main concern... No one wants to see anyone get hurt from using too much gear...

YUM

Noone is getting my point, lol.

Let's say we pick a bodybuilder well above his natural limit, who would have been running 2000mg of gear for a 6month period straight anyways. All I am doing is suggesting an alternative to running 2g straight throughout and suggesting that a cycle like this will make you grow just as well as 2g throughout would.

If you can grow off of 600mg, then this cycle is stupid and meaningless for you (as for me).

-sk

 

[XBiker]

Just gotta increase the FDA (Food and Drug Administration)

 

[thate]

1) Add 300 calories more to your diet
2) Add 300mg of more gear

Number 1 works if you slowly increase cals, 300 each stopping point puts fat on me.

Number 2 works too, but I normally hit between 2-4 sticking points each cycle. That could lead up to an extra 1.2 grams than I would want to take. I don't like to ever go over a gram anyways. Maybe an increase in 50-100mg would be better.

 

[sk*]

Re: Re: Different theory on cycling, thoughts?

Number 1 works if you slowly increase cals, 300 each stopping point puts fat on me.

Number 2 works too, but I normally hit between 2-4 sticking points each cycle. That could lead up to an extra 1.2 grams than I would want to take. I don't like to ever go over a gram anyways. Maybe an increase in 50-100mg would be better.

Whatever works for you bro, those numbers were just an example.

Also, when you increase your calories, do you increase protein? I was thinking about gradually increasing protein and carbs (maybe less than 300calories).

-sk

 

[Mr.Holland]

I still think other ways are better...

BUT...

If you are also delivering the juice i'm willing to be your test dummy

deal?

 

[sk*]

Nah but if you provide the juice i'll be the dummy, haha.

Here's a sample cycle I made up (you might need to copy and paste the url in the address bar):

http://www.athernigy.com/cycle.htm

Note that eq is projected as it won't kick in till week 4-5 and will leave the body around week 16). Would be easier if there was a faster acting eq. Also NPP is fast acting deca.

-sk

 

[thate]

Re: Re: Re: Different theory on cycling, thoughts?

Whatever works for you bro, those numbers were just an example.

Also, when you increase your calories, do you increase protein? I was thinking about gradually increasing protein and carbs (maybe less than 300calories).

-sk

I only increase saturated fat . When I make an increase it is usually protein 60% and carbs 40%.

 

[sk*]

Saturated fats, haha.

-sk