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Johnny Cut said:
Basskiller's the shit Bro. He's real a good guy too. I saw one of his lab reports for EQL where it tested off the chart.
Basskiller's the shit Bro. He's real a good guy too. I saw one of his lab reports for EQL where it tested off the chart.
babbabuee
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satch..
I'm kind of in the same position you mentioned about a basic sust cycle. I mean I stopped the naposims after week 4 and I'm kind of stagnant now on my 5th week. I'm hittin sust 250 every 4 days. I blew up quick with the naposims, but I'm just not seeing any weight gains since I stopped the naps. You think i should just wait it out and keep up the hard work, proper eating, rest, etc.. or maybe add something to the end of my cycle? Oh, better mention my stats,
5' 8" 165 start of cycle, 175 in week 5. No body fat measurments, but I'm fairly lean. I've got 5 years on and off experience and yes I know how to grow without juice, just not patient enough. thanks bro.
I'm kind of in the same position you mentioned about a basic sust cycle. I mean I stopped the naposims after week 4 and I'm kind of stagnant now on my 5th week. I'm hittin sust 250 every 4 days. I blew up quick with the naposims, but I'm just not seeing any weight gains since I stopped the naps. You think i should just wait it out and keep up the hard work, proper eating, rest, etc.. or maybe add something to the end of my cycle? Oh, better mention my stats,
5' 8" 165 start of cycle, 175 in week 5. No body fat measurments, but I'm fairly lean. I've got 5 years on and off experience and yes I know how to grow without juice, just not patient enough. thanks bro.
J
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I've been looking into this some more and asking around. hhajdo, StoneCold and Andy13 would be 3 people that would know better than I would.
hhajdo - "Actually, if you do the math you'll realize it doesn't make much sense.
The guy seems to forget that all sust esters release the same drug - ,testosterone, into the bloodstream.
Also, all test esters start releasing test immediately...
I thought you already talked to Andy13 about this:
Andy13:
"The model of sustanon compared to esters of various other half lives shows that sustanon is much, much, more like a single ester testosterone than you might think. I too believed that blood levels would be more difficult to control, compared to TE for instance.. until I plotted this..
I think there is A LOT of misconception about sustanon. There is an infamous thread that has been claimed by more different authors than I can count. I'm not talking about paraphrasing either. This gets cut-n-pasted, word for fucking word, and the sad part is that is it ridiculously erroneous and misleading. It's pretty much entirely shyte except for the few instances where universal, 'impossible-to-fuck-up no-matter-what' type of 'good' information such as "inject more frequently" is given.. But even then, it is buried in so much illogical garbage that the principles are skewed. I hate this post.
This is a huge reason why many BBers do not understand the concept of the ester. I'm not talking about knowing "longer ester= longer half life, shorter ester= faster acting. Knowledge of (only) this trivial information is dangerous. I remember when I first learned about esters and had only this understanding.. I thought I knew everything there was to know. It turns out that this isn't even the half of it.
Back to my rant about this infamous sustanon post, the author clearly does not understand how esters work. The common misconception that I (and probably many others) had once is that in sustanon, the prop releases first, and then the phenyl prop, followed by the longer esters (but later). After all, the longer esters don't kick in until week 3 or so, right? Nothing say's "I have no fucking clue about esters" quite like the latter statement..
This fundamental lack of understanding is something I feel is important, and I have made it my life-long goal to take the time and try and explain this (100's of times) to those who have been misinformed. A good many of them don't give a shit. They want the bottom line, after all, who gives a shit about esters during their 10-month winter hiatus from the gym? I can certainly appreciate that... AAS mentoring isn't for everyone and everyone shouldn't do it.. The problem is that it is usually these dudes (who care only to know where to stick the pin) that are the first one's to regurgitate the shit they heard yesterday, thus doing their part to perpetuate the cycle of ignorance…
Next time, I’ll tell you how I really feel about the idiots in this sport who litter the boards with filth and plagiarized garbage.."
StoneCold:
"If you take away all the different graphs, math and shit.....and just take a rather simplistic look at it.......you should realize it must act like a single ester test, because it was developed for HRT shots to be given 2 - 3 weeks apart. Do you really think if it gave up spikes of big ups and downs, that it ever would have been approved for HRT.....I think not!!"
hhajdo - "Actually, if you do the math you'll realize it doesn't make much sense.
The guy seems to forget that all sust esters release the same drug - ,testosterone, into the bloodstream.
Also, all test esters start releasing test immediately...
I thought you already talked to Andy13 about this:
Andy13:
"The model of sustanon compared to esters of various other half lives shows that sustanon is much, much, more like a single ester testosterone than you might think. I too believed that blood levels would be more difficult to control, compared to TE for instance.. until I plotted this..
I think there is A LOT of misconception about sustanon. There is an infamous thread that has been claimed by more different authors than I can count. I'm not talking about paraphrasing either. This gets cut-n-pasted, word for fucking word, and the sad part is that is it ridiculously erroneous and misleading. It's pretty much entirely shyte except for the few instances where universal, 'impossible-to-fuck-up no-matter-what' type of 'good' information such as "inject more frequently" is given.. But even then, it is buried in so much illogical garbage that the principles are skewed. I hate this post.
This is a huge reason why many BBers do not understand the concept of the ester. I'm not talking about knowing "longer ester= longer half life, shorter ester= faster acting. Knowledge of (only) this trivial information is dangerous. I remember when I first learned about esters and had only this understanding.. I thought I knew everything there was to know. It turns out that this isn't even the half of it.
Back to my rant about this infamous sustanon post, the author clearly does not understand how esters work. The common misconception that I (and probably many others) had once is that in sustanon, the prop releases first, and then the phenyl prop, followed by the longer esters (but later). After all, the longer esters don't kick in until week 3 or so, right? Nothing say's "I have no fucking clue about esters" quite like the latter statement..
This fundamental lack of understanding is something I feel is important, and I have made it my life-long goal to take the time and try and explain this (100's of times) to those who have been misinformed. A good many of them don't give a shit. They want the bottom line, after all, who gives a shit about esters during their 10-month winter hiatus from the gym? I can certainly appreciate that... AAS mentoring isn't for everyone and everyone shouldn't do it.. The problem is that it is usually these dudes (who care only to know where to stick the pin) that are the first one's to regurgitate the shit they heard yesterday, thus doing their part to perpetuate the cycle of ignorance…
Next time, I’ll tell you how I really feel about the idiots in this sport who litter the boards with filth and plagiarized garbage.."
StoneCold:
"If you take away all the different graphs, math and shit.....and just take a rather simplistic look at it.......you should realize it must act like a single ester test, because it was developed for HRT shots to be given 2 - 3 weeks apart. Do you really think if it gave up spikes of big ups and downs, that it ever would have been approved for HRT.....I think not!!"
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satchboogie
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babbabuee said:
see that's the problem with sustanon.. if you dont properly frontload then you wont get much out of it. 250mg every 4 days is a very minimal dosage. however, it can be effective for very mild results if frontload. tell me more about the duration of the cycle.
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