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Did first injection! Beers on the house! :)

Razorguns

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Talk about a non-event.

Bitch went in like knife in hot butter. Scary cuz if it broke off -- it'd be stuck inside my ass.

Anyhootz. Took FOREVER to draw up the injection on my second vial (eq). Any tips? I drew up some air (equivalent to the eq dosage), stuck in vial. blew out to create vaccum and then started to draw in. Nothing was coming out and i was AFRAID of pumping test cyp into my eq bottle. How do you avoid that?

I used some lidocaine, and ass was pretty feelingless. Just slipped it in and with GREAT PRESSURE (it seemed like i need 300lbs of force) i started injecting it in (yes i aspirated).

Went in. Don't feel shit. No cramps, flu, or anything some people warn.

I'm at 500mg/wk (2x250) Test and 600mg/wk EQ (2x300). Plus armidex.

Those dosages look fine?

Whew!

Thanks to all who gave advice. One road travelled. :)
 
Razorguns said:
Talk about a non-event.

Bitch went in like knife in hot butter. Scary cuz if it broke off -- it'd be stuck inside my ass.

Anyhootz. Took FOREVER to draw up the injection on my second vial (eq). Any tips? I drew up some air (equivalent to the eq dosage), stuck in vial. blew out to create vaccum and then started to draw in. Nothing was coming out and i was AFRAID of pumping test cyp into my eq bottle. How do you avoid that?

I used some lidocaine, and ass was pretty feelingless. Just slipped it in and with GREAT PRESSURE (it seemed like i need 300lbs of force) i started injecting it in (yes i aspirated).

Went in. Don't feel shit. No cramps, flu, or anything some people warn.

I'm at 500mg/wk (2x250) Test and 600mg/wk EQ (2x300). Plus armidex.

Those dosages look fine?

Whew!

Thanks to all who gave advice. One road travelled. :)

If you are mixing two liquids when you pull back on the plunger of the 2nd vial dont let go until it is exactly as much as you want in the syringe
then get rid of the excess air

Congrats!
 
Razorguns said:
Talk about a non-event.

Bitch went in like knife in hot butter. Scary cuz if it broke off -- it'd be stuck inside my ass.

Anyhootz. Took FOREVER to draw up the injection on my second vial (eq). Any tips? I drew up some air (equivalent to the eq dosage), stuck in vial. blew out to create vaccum and then started to draw in. Nothing was coming out and i was AFRAID of pumping test cyp into my eq bottle. How do you avoid that?

I used some lidocaine, and ass was pretty feelingless. Just slipped it in and with GREAT PRESSURE (it seemed like i need 300lbs of force) i started injecting it in (yes i aspirated).

Went in. Don't feel shit. No cramps, flu, or anything some people warn.

I'm at 500mg/wk (2x250) Test and 600mg/wk EQ (2x300). Plus armidex.

Those dosages look fine?

Whew!

Thanks to all who gave advice. One road travelled. :)


RAZOR, congrats on the cherry pop. How old are you man, stats?
....also bor you don't need to lidocaine it for pain, its just a prick.
 
If you can get your hands on some proviron I'd look into it. I've heard only great things when its stacked with EQ/Test, great hardener.
 
awesome brother! i remember my 1st like it was an hour ago, painless! good luck on your cycle, looks great. how long you running it for??
 
16 weeks.

proviron? never even heard of it? what are the side effects? got links to some info?

stats: 33, 5'10", 11% bf i guess?
 
never heard of it? wow, its mentioned in here a lot. frees up some test and makes you a little harder.. check this out

Proviron
Pharmaceutical Name: Mesterolone
Chemical structure: 1 alpha-methyl-17 beta-hydroxy-5 alpha-androstan-3-one
Effective dose: 25-100 mg / day orally



Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT. Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected. But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.

Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels.

The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.

Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing "harder" muscles with more cuts and striations. Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat.

Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don't have the same affinities as DHT does. Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence. Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse.

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn't necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe, its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

Mesterolone is an oral alkylated steroid. If used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, using it throughout a longer cycle (10-12 weeks) of injectables may elevate liver values a little bit, though much, much less than one would expect with a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid. Eventhough instead of inhibiting gains, mesterolone may actually contribute to gains. So that's a bit of a shame. Its not quite as toxic since its not alkylated in the same fashion, but at the 1 position, which reduces hepatic breakdown, but not like 17-alpha alkylation. The reason for the change of position I assume, is because alkylating at the 17-alpha position has been shown to reduce affinity for sex hormone binding proteins. This would in turn decrease its ability to free testosterone. Nonetheless the delivery rate is quite good. Its taken daily in 50-100 mg doses.

The best thing to stack it with is testosterone of course. Its most easily bound to SHBG and albumin, and deactivated for up to 98%. Since the DHT can compete for these structures with higher affinity it would naturally lead to a higher yield of whatever testosterone product you stacked it with. Since DHT levels are notably higher now there is also more stimulation of the androgen receptor causing more strength gains, and because of its affinity for aromatase the overall estrogen level decreases as well. This has as a result that gains are leaner, and once again the overall testosterone yield is increased as less I converted at the aromatase enzyme.

It's of course used in other stacks with products such as methandrostenolone, boldenone and nandrolone to reduce estrogenic activity and increase muscle hardness. The addition of proviron makes boldenone a dead lock for a cutting stack and for some may even make it possible to use nandrolone while cutting, although the use of Winstrol or a receptor antagonist in conjunction is wishful as well. The benefit of adding it to a nandrolone stack is that it may also help you reduce the decrease in libido suffered from nandrolone, since the latter is mostly deactivated by 5-alpha reductase, an enzyme that makes other hormones more androgenic. Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant. Blood pressure medication for those prone to hypertension may be wise, as this DHT can increase the blood pressure.
 
Okay i'll do a search on it. Big q's i have are : how good is it? what's the side effects (hair loss?) How good is it stacked with eq/test? Ya know .. The usual questions. :)

oh btw: AM i supposed to feel something? I haven't felt anything out of the ordinary yet. Is this normal? (250mg/test, 300mg/eq).
 
Razorguns said:
Okay i'll do a search on it. Big q's i have are : how good is it? what's the side effects (hair loss?) How good is it stacked with eq/test? Ya know .. The usual questions. :)

oh btw: AM i supposed to feel something? I haven't felt anything out of the ordinary yet. Is this normal? (250mg/test, 300mg/eq).

Very good IMO. It complements a test cycle very well because not only will it increase the efficiency of your test but it helps you maintain wood and sexual function to compensate for a low endogenous test level. If your dosage is under 100mg's per day (50mg/ed is recommended) sides are rare.

Don't plan on feeling too much as far as performance or strength gains for at least a few weeks... your inject site may begin to feel a little tender but thats about it. Keep in mind that EQ and test are slow-acting (unless your using prop of course) so it takes time.

Just out of curiosity, what is your PCT looking like?
 
Congrats bro on your first poke. I can remember my first. I just stared at the needle and kept asking myself, well come on you pussy, jab away. It was so hard to give that initial push. Then I wondered what all the fuss was about. It was totally painless. Felt like a big baby but was so releived. Anyway, lose the lidocaine bro. After a few pokes it's nothing. Seems kinda weird but I look forward to pokes now. That's an awesome cycle you're doing IMO. I'm doing the same one right now(7th wk.). Be sure and get your diet nailed down and you should see good results. peace.
 
Razorguns said:
Okay i'll do a search on it. Big q's i have are : how good is it? what's the side effects (hair loss?) How good is it stacked with eq/test? Ya know .. The usual questions. :)

oh btw: AM i supposed to feel something? I haven't felt anything out of the ordinary yet. Is this normal? (250mg/test, 300mg/eq).

Think you will feel it kick in after a week or so...did something similar , 500mg sus/300mgeq....by week 3, strenght was shooting up alot and a little bloat from the test...even to this day, still got the vascualirity from eq 2 yrs later.
 
Razorguns said:
Probably 5 weeks of nolva starting at 60mg/day. Might throw in a HCG perhaps.

Congrats on first injection. Cycle looks good, I would definitely throw in some HCG for PCT.
 
Congrats bor. Injections are pretty easy once you get past the mental aspect.

Keep us posted with everything. Now where's our beer?? :beer:
 
Good luck Razor - what kind of lido did you use? Just a spray can?

Nothing wrong with that - but try it without at least once - it is pretty painless.

I like your cycle, but if your test is E or C, it will take until about week 4 for size and strength gains. (libido will happen in about a week or so.)


Bluesman
 
Proviron is very hard on the hair is what I HEAR. Maybe someone else can jump in with something regarding that.

My first ever inject was in my left calf. lol I wanted it to be special. I got a thread somewhere around here about it. Was with a 20 or 18 gauge needle, too! (maybe 20, don't remember)
 
gonelifting said:
Proviron is very hard on the hair is what I HEAR. Maybe someone else can jump in with something regarding that.

My first ever inject was in my left calf. lol I wanted it to be special. I got a thread somewhere around here about it. Was with a 20 or 18 gauge needle, too! (maybe 20, don't remember)

Ahh GL where you been broheem??
 
used a 18g on my cherry pop too..hurt like a bitch, would like some info on proviron and hair loss...would it be good added to a test, deca stack??
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
Good luck Razor - what kind of lido did you use? Just a spray can?

custom lidocaine from beverly hills compounding pharmacy. marketed under "tetricaine gel". Real powerful shit.

what's gonna happen to my libido??? :)
 
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