DHT sides ?

[VictorBR]

I am planning a cycle , that would lead me to NO estrogen sides , NO progesterone sides , BUT I think too many DHT sides .

All the drugs that I choose will not convert to estrogen or progesterone but basically all of them are DHT derivative .

week 1-12 - primo 600 mg / week
week 1-6 - turanabol - 40 mg ED
week 1-6 - winny 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - var 45 mg ED
week 6-12 - masteron 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron 50 mg ED

So , a LOT of DHT drugs .

Aside from making you bald if you are prone to , and give you some serious ACNE , what other sides can I expect from all this DHT shit ?

The only other problem I see is too much 17 aa orals . But I will use protectors and I think it is gonna be all good .

PCT would be nolva + HCG .

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

bump

anyone ?

Victor

 

[Güclü_oglan]

first of all i wouldn't pct with serms and hcg at the same time (because of the gynorisk) but if you're not prone you shouldn't worry too much

Second of all, that cycle will most likely kill your sex drive completely

Primo isn't a DHT if i remember it right (i can be bullshittin you on this one) i think it was dhb

way too many and too much orals, that would fuck my lipids badly in no-time and my liver-values would give my vegeterian doc a heart-attack

i hope you're not prone to MPD or else you can expect some major shedding

i think dht-sides and progesterone-sides are the same thing (i might be bullshittin you again, not sure bro)

And why are you so afraid of a little estrogen? are you going to compete? the water can be dealt with without problems bro. Just adjust your diet and do some anti-aromasin

 

[VictorBR]

first of all i wouldn't pct with serms and hcg at the same time (because of the gynorisk) but if you're not prone you shouldn't worry too much

Second of all, that cycle will most likely kill your sex drive completely

Primo isn't a DHT if i remember it right (i can be bullshittin you on this one) i think it was dhb

way too many and too much orals, that would fuck my lipids badly in no-time and my liver-values would give my vegeterian doc a heart-attack

i hope you're not prone to MPD or else you can expect some major shedding

i think dht-sides and progesterone-sides are the same thing (i might be bullshittin you again, not sure bro)

And why are you so afraid of a little estrogen? are you going to compete? the water can be dealt with without problems bro. Just adjust your diet and do some anti-aromasin

>>>> I am prone to gyno , are you sure about PCT with HCG and nolva can give me gyno ? I thought it was the other way around , nolva would prevent gyno from HCG ...I might be wrong , but I was under this impression .

About the orals , if my lipids and liver values change a bit , I really don't care , they will get back to normal later .

I don't think I am prone to MPB , I have inumerous reasons to believe that .

Progesterone sides will include intra-muscular fat , GYNO , loss of sex drive and some other shit .

I don't think DHT would give you that , the sides are different for sure , it is not the same bro . that is what I want to know , all the DHT sides .

Also about estrogen , I want to avoid drugs that convert because I am prone to GYMO , it is not a matter of water retention .

also about no sex drive I have the proviron on the last 6 weeks of my cycle to keep my boys going .


Victor

 

[bigrand]

dont worry about gyno post cycle, those drugs wont give you gyno, they work in an oppisite fashion. I personally wouldnt worry about the orals either considering the last oral you run is vary by itself, a drug that has actually inproved liver values in some studies.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

hey bro run the hcg during the cycle in intervalls instead for keeping your boys big in the ballpark

a way i have used it with succes without losing LH-sensitivity is:

hcg E7W , in the week where you use hcg i take 500mg eod for 8 days. Then i wait 1-2 months again. Makes my boys grow out in just a week everytime and my morning-hardons are back

 

[krishna]

DHT will cause hair loss, body hair growth, prostate swelling, oily skin/acne, etc. Plus you're stacking orals throughout your cycle. Why do you think you need all this?

 

[VictorBR]

dont worry about gyno post cycle, those drugs wont give you gyno, they work in an oppisite fashion. I personally wouldnt worry about the orals either considering the last oral you run is vary by itself, a drug that has actually inproved liver values in some studies.

Yeah , I think I am pretty safe with that combo


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

DHT will cause hair loss, body hair growth, prostate swelling, oily skin/acne, etc. Plus you're stacking orals throughout your cycle. Why do you think you need all this?

>> humm so that are all the sides , I can deal with it . Better than estrogen and progesterone sides for sure .

and I am not stacking bro, take a look at the cycle again .

I am stacking winny and T-bol ONLY for 6 weeks.

THEN I stop BOTH and start with VAR AND PROVIRON


Victor

 

[krishna]

>> humm so that are all the sides , I can deal with it . Better than estrogen and progesterone sides for sure .

and I am not stacking bro, take a look at the cycle again .

I am stacking winny and T-bol ONLY for 6 weeks.

THEN I stop BOTH and start with VAR AND PROVIRON


Victor

Do you realize what you just said?

[/QUOTE]
and I am not stacking bro, take a look at the cycle again .

I am stacking winny and T-bol ONLY for 6 weeks.[/QUOTE]

 

[VictorBR]

Do you realize what you just said?

and I am not stacking bro, take a look at the cycle again .

I am stacking winny and T-bol ONLY for 6 weeks.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


>>> LOL , my bad , I mean I am not stacking for 12 weeks , only for the first 6 weeks

but what is the big deal with stacking 2 orals for 6 weeks ?


Victor

 

[krishna]

Just make sure you take some liver detox and milk thistle. It's normally not recommended to stack orals. Your cycle is HIGHLY androgenic! I'm sure your muscles will be hard as hell, but you're in for some hellacious sides.

 

[VictorBR]

so hummm, it looks better :

Since PRIMO is not a DHT drivative , it is DHB ? WTF is this ?

Anyways , T-bol is not a DHT derivative also .

So , I am stuck with winny , var , masteron and proviron .

BUT althought var is a DHT derivative , it is not going to give you DHT sides .

So , now it is only 3 drugs - masteron , winny and proviron .

I think I will be able to keep my HAIR


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Just make sure you take some liver detox and milk thistle. It's normally not recommended to stack orals. Your cycle is HIGHLY androgenic! I'm sure your muscles will be hard as hell, but you're in for some hellacious sides.

>>> I will be taking liver protectors all the time bro . About my muscles being HARD as HELL ... , that is the main IDEA of this cycle .

So what kinda sides can I expect ?

At least , no water retention , no gyno , no agressive behavior , no night sweats , no fat gain due tro estrogen and progesterone , no puffy face , no insomnia .

I am expecting maybe some serious acne althought I am not prone to FACE acne , but BACKS acne . Also , body hair grow , I am already a MONKEY so it is not like it can get ANY WORSE than what it is already , LOL . Elevated liver values , yeah a lil bit , but they will return to normal ...

and MPB , I don't think I am prone to that so ...

What kinda scaries me is prostate enlargment ? Is there anything I can use to prevent this ?

Saw plameto , zinc ?


Victor

 

[Güclü_oglan]

>>> I will be taking liver protectors all the time bro . About my muscles being HARD as HELL ... , that is the main IDEA of this cycle .

So what kinda sides can I expect ?

At least , no water retention , no gyno , no agressive behavior , no night sweats , no fat gain due tro estrogen and progesterone , no puffy face , no insomnia .

I am expecting maybe some serious acne althought I am not prone to FACE acne , but BACKS acne . Also , body hair grow , I am already a MONKEY so it is not like it can get ANY WORSE than what it is already , LOL . Elevated liver values , yeah a lil bit , but they will return to normal ...

and MPB , I don't think I am prone to that so ...

What kinda scaries me is prostate enlargment ? Is there anything I can use to prevent this ?

Saw plameto , zinc ?


Victor

estrogen burns fat bro, and steroids will not cause any changes in your aggressivenes, you can still count on acne though

i think you would be better off with something like this:

w 1-12 testosteron enanthate 250mg e5d
w 1-12 arimidex 0.5mg ed
w 1-12 nolvadex 10mg ed
w 1-12 hcg e7w

and in there you can add the winny or the other steroids. But i think you're putting alot of money down the drain

but your cycle is alright anyways, if you like it go with it but you might have to learn some things the hard way bro

 

[VictorBR]

estrogen burns fat bro, and steroids will not cause any changes in your aggressivenes, you can still count on acne though

i think you would be better off with something like this:

w 1-12 testosteron enanthate 250mg e5d
w 1-12 arimidex 0.5mg ed
w 1-12 nolvadex 10mg ed
w 1-12 hcg e7w

and in there you can add the winny or the other steroids. But i think you're putting alot of money down the drain

but your cycle is alright anyways, if you like it go with it but you might have to learn some things the hard way bro

>>> ESTROGEN BURNS FAT !????????????????????!?!??!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?

that is news to me , I am 99.9999999999 % sure that estrogen makes you hold into FAT and might even increase FAT STORAGE .

No steroid will make you agressive ? Humm , FINA , HALO , D-ROL !!?!?!?!?


Victor

 

[krishna]

>>> I will be taking liver protectors all the time bro . About my muscles being HARD as HELL ... , that is the main IDEA of this cycle .

So what kinda sides can I expect ?

At least , no water retention , no gyno , no agressive behavior , no night sweats , no fat gain due tro estrogen and progesterone , no puffy face , no insomnia .

I am expecting maybe some serious acne althought I am not prone to FACE acne , but BACKS acne . Also , body hair grow , I am already a MONKEY so it is not like it can get ANY WORSE than what it is already , LOL . Elevated liver values , yeah a lil bit , but they will return to normal ...

and MPB , I don't think I am prone to that so ...

Saw Palmetto extract will help with your prostate. And I wouldn't rule out agressive behavior and bad mood as possible sides. You can also throw in sore joints from the winny.

What kinda scaries me is prostate enlargment ? Is there anything I can use to prevent this ?

Saw plameto , zinc ?


Victor

Saw Palmetto extract will help. Also, don't rule out aggressive behavior and bad mood as possible sides. You can also throw in sore joints from the winny.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

>>> ESTROGEN BURNS FAT !????????????????????!?!??!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?

that is news to me , I am 99.9999999999 % sure that estrogen makes you hold into FAT and might even increase FAT STORAGE .

No steroid will make you agressive ? Humm , FINA , HALO , D-ROL !!?!?!?!?


Victor

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413111

check it out bro, i think i even included one of the legit studies about the subject

halo is so different to usual steroids and the knowledge around it is very limited, and i'm currently on 150 mg tren ed and i'm just as calm as i was pre-cycle and drol doesn't make my friend who is currently on it agressive either

 

[krishna]

estrogen burns fat bro, and steroids will not cause any changes in your aggressivenes, you can still count on acne though

i think you would be better off with something like this:

w 1-12 testosteron enanthate 250mg e5d
w 1-12 arimidex 0.5mg ed
w 1-12 nolvadex 10mg ed
w 1-12 hcg e7w

and in there you can add the winny or the other steroids. But i think you're putting alot of money down the drain

but your cycle is alright anyways, if you like it go with it but you might have to learn some things the hard way bro

Actually any steroid can add to aggressive behavior. People with anger and temper issues are affected negatively by the added aggression, but people who are nice and peaceful can be even more friendly while on. I read some studies on this for one of my psychology classes.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

Actually any steroid can add to aggressive behavior. People with anger and temper issues are affected negatively by the added aggression, but people who are nice and peaceful can be even more friendly while on. I read some studies on this for one of my psychology classes.

yea bro might be so, but i am 100% convinced that the agressiveness has nothing to do with the physiological impact of the substance, i would say it's just a psycological phenom so i wouldn't say some types of juice is more likely to make pricks into assholes

 

[VictorBR]

Saw Palmetto extract will help. Also, don't rule out aggressive behavior and bad mood as possible sides. You can also throw in sore joints from the winny.

>>> DAMN good point I forgot all about that , winny can kill your joints . I was all good using 50 mg ED , but 75 mg is a whole diferent story . And good point again about agreesive behavior and bad mood ,I can't rule that out , but I am usually a calm person so it is all good .

Ok , so far my cocktail to stay somewhat side -free :

1-Glucosamine , choindroitine for joints
2-saw palmeto for prostate protection
3-liver detox and milk thysle for liver protection
4- clearasil if I start with too much acne
5-nizoral shampoo IF I start losing hair althought I don't think it is going to happen


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413111

check it out bro, i think i even included one of the legit studies about the subject

halo is so different to usual steroids and the knowledge around it is very limited, and i'm currently on 150 mg tren ed and i'm just as calm as i was pre-cycle and drol doesn't make my friend who is currently on it agressive either

>>> About the estrogen burning fat , well I believe it is something like this : a lil estrogen , is NEEDED to maintain optimal fat LOSS , optimal MUSCLE GROWTH etc....

BUT when you take in TEST , you shutdown your own production and some of that test will convert to estrogen . AND NOW , you have a HIGH ratio of estrogen to testosterone , and now it is why you see the side effects of too much ESTORGEN in your body .

side effects - gyno , increased fat storage , water retention etc...

So we can say that elevated levels of estrogen will make you FATTER .

and NORMAL levels of estrogen can help you build muscle and lose fat .

that is how I look at this .

So I am not about to risk having a high level of estrogen in my body .


Victor

 

[krishna]

You should be hard as a rock! I'm an advocate of adding at least minimal amounts of test with every cycle, to that's something else to think about. Good luck bro....keep us posted.

 

[VictorBR]

You should be hard as a rock! I'm an advocate of adding at least minimal amounts of test with every cycle, to that's something else to think about. Good luck bro....keep us posted.

I will keep you posted bro , thanks for all the help


Victor