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Dextrose Training Question -

JKurz1

JKurz1

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For those who take dextrose religiously post training. Do you feel that it has made a big difference in your training?

DO you consume it after every session, bar none. (For example, after Arm day or after just calves,abs,traps,forearms?)

Have you tried any other method? Thanks for the help......
 
I take it after every workout. I am lifting twice a day three days a week and will take it after both sessions regardless of what I am working on. Does it work? I cant say for sure because I have changed my diet and lifting habits around. For as cheap as it is can't see where it hurts.
 
THe science behind its use seems pretty solid- it suppresses cortisol and cortisol eats muscle. IMO you don't have to use dextrose only as pretty much any simple carb will work, but it seems that dextrose is probably the best choice. I've read that fructose will stock up the liver with glycogen before the muscles, but I'm of the opinion that cortisol suppression is the main benefit from simple carb intake post-workout.

To answer your question I have taken simple carbs in one form or another postworkout EVERY SINGLE TIME for the last several years. Most often I use gatorade powder mixed with protein powder in a shaker bottle. It's hard to say how much it's helped as I've changed lots of of other things in my program over the years.
 
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JKurz1 said:
what are your stats now bro? Training routine?
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Stats: 6 ft, 246, high teens bf % (but dropping)

here's my current training:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=413313

I'm on a fairly restrictive diet at the moment (~2300 cals/day). I've almost ALWAYS been in the high teen bf%'s and it's about time I got down to 10-ish and then bulk from there. It's not that I don't know how to cut, it's that I haven't cared much to do it :). Now that I'm toying with the idea of competing in PL'ing I need to think about dropping into the 225 class if I don't want to embarass myself :rolleyes: .
 
I take a PWO mix of Dextrose, Creatine Monohydrate, HMB and Glutamine. If I'm running out of steam during the workout a couple of glugs can get me back under way.

G5.0 the time to toy with the idea is after sending in your application form. Do it, you know you want to. It'd be awesome.
 
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It takes me around 15 minutes to get home. I sometimes take a protein bar after the workout but it's chicken breast and noodles for me as soon as I get in.
 
Noted, but if I get fat eating chicken and whey...

I have whey, egg. milk and oats for brekkers. I also have whey, egg and milk for a bedtime drink. I'm going to be turning into whey and milk but I can't argue. 300lbs here we come.
 
I chug a mixture of dextrose, maltodextrin, and Powerade powder, combined with 40g whey isolate, L-glutamine (and glutamine peptides), creatine, and BCAA's. It goes down easy.
 
big perm said:
Mine's simple......approx. 80g's of dextrose with approx. 40 grams of whey mixed in water.
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I used to have 80g of whey with 100g of carbs like a few British gurus had told me to do. I did get good results, but I fear that was bloating me out and now I have about the same as you:

A serving of Cell Tech and abot 40-50g of whey.
 
Yeah, people are reccomending 80-100g of dext.............crazy.........the body doesnt really need that much sugar, esp. if you training session isn't full throttle.;.........
 
Take a 2lb bag of dextrose and a package of Crystal Light or unsweetned Kool-Aid and mix it in a gallon milk jug with water. Pour as much as you want based on workout intensity and take your creatine and glutamine. Sip on this and your protein shake at the same time. Put the rest in the fridge and your set. Just dont mix the creatine in the jug as it will go bad. It is much cheaper than buying Cell-Tech.
 
Never been a big fan of chugging a bunch of sugar after a workout. I'll usually just mix 2 scoops of gatorade powder with a scoop of whey then eat a meal an hour later. If it's a really intense workout I'll add another scoop of gatorade.
 
cmdubs said:
Never been a big fan of chugging a bunch of sugar after a workout. I'll usually just mix 2 scoops of gatorade powder with a scoop of whey then eat a meal an hour later. If it's a really intense workout I'll add another scoop of gatorade.
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that is still a lot of sugar my friend.....they say approx. .25-.5/lb of bodyweight.....no reason to take in less than 50g carbs pw, I just dont know if I like the oats or dext better....guess its experiement time/
 
JKurz1 said:
that is still a lot of sugar my friend.....they say approx. .25-.5/lb of bodyweight.....no reason to take in less than 50g carbs pw, I just dont know if I like the oats or dext better....guess its experiement time/
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Who is "they?"

No the same people who said that we can noly digest 30g of protein in one sitting is it?

The whole point of taking on fast/simple carbs/sugar is to recharge the muscles and liver immediately and prevent further catabolism. Oats and potatoes and other slow stuff is not the ticket for immediate post workout meals.

Then again Ronnie Coleman does not take pw shakes, he just drives straight to the diner from the gym (in his soaked through workout gear) and orders beans and rice and chicken - so what do I know?
 
Evening, BW.

Apparently in his post Olympia interview, Ronnie was aked if he to on a postworkout meal, to which he replied:

"Oh, I hear those work really well..." (laughter from the crowd)

Apparently Ronnie doesn't do a thing except go straight to the diner and get a solid food meal down. Sounds crazy, but it's really what he does...
 
I havent been taking a PW shake for a couple of months now. Right after the gym I eat solid food and I havent gotten any smaller or any weaker.

I dont really care how much protien or carbs I eat in a day anymore. All I care about is eating an excess of calories from good clean food.
 
JKurz1 said:
that is still a lot of sugar my friend.....they say approx. .25-.5/lb of bodyweight.....no reason to take in less than 50g carbs pw, I just dont know if I like the oats or dext better....guess its experiement time/
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Well I guess it depends on what you consider a lot of sugar post workout. Some people consume upwards of 100 grams carb from dextrose. With the 2 scoops of gatorade powder it's like 40 grams carbs.
 
cmdubs said:
Well I guess it depends on what you consider a lot of sugar post workout. Some people consume upwards of 100 grams carb from dextrose. With the 2 scoops of gatorade powder it's like 40 grams carbs.
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Are you talking about the scoop that comes in the gatorade powder? That's a big honkin' scoop- one scoop is like 70g sugar.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
Are you talking about the scoop that comes in the gatorade powder? That's a big honkin' scoop- one scoop is like 70g sugar.
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not the ones I buy

one serving size is 3/4 scoop and 16 grams of carbs give or take
 
I buy Odwalla Superfood jugs from Costco for 5 bucks and drink 2.5 servings which is like 96 carbs directly after my workout and then right after that I chug down 50 grams whey Isolate, 5 grams creatine and 5 grams L-glutamine.

I'm eating oats in the morning, but definitely not post-workout. Based off all the studies that seems kinda dumb as oatmeal has a low GI rating and will not rapidly replenish muscle glycogen. Neither will chicken rapidly cause a positive nitrogen balance.

As long as the simple carbs fall directly after your workout I doubt it would contribute to fat gain or bloating at all because your muscles are like sponges and will soak most of that sugar up.

I've used 50 grams post and it's not enough for me. 90-100 grams seems just right.

Also, I wouldn't listen to much of what Ronnie Coleman says because A. His genetics really are better than any of ours and B. He's on an assload of steroids, HGH, IGF whatever and Insulin to name the ones for sure.
 
If anyone in the UK is interested, the website I get dextrose from has it on offer. £2.99 per kg. Buy it in bulk and you get a discount. I've just ordered 10kg for £22.43 :) PM me if you want a link.

Oh, and PM me if you can find it cheaper too :)
 
anotherbutters said:
But you want fast release protein after a workout, not chicken. Better to spend your money on some whey than glutamine or HMB.
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Ok I've just knocked up a batch of my Special Wumpster Blutlicious PWO Protein Bars.

.75 cups Honey
1 Bar Chocolate (to taste)
3 Cups oats
3 Cups chocolate-flavoured whey-isolate
1 Cup sunflower seeds
1.5 Cups milk
1 Jar peanut butter

Heat, mix, cook on low heat in oven. Slice and dice.
 
I had to read that a couple of times. I thought you said Buttlicious :worried:

As far as a PWO bar goes, it's pretty bad. After a workout, you need fast absorbing carbs to refuel your glycogen supplies and fast absorbing protein to stop muscle breakdown and aid recovery.

At all other times, you want slow digesting carbs, slow digesting protein, and fat, which also slows digestion.

Your bar contains a mix of both:

honey: simple carbs: good!
chocolate: as above
oats: slow digesting carbs: not for PWO
whey: fast protein: good
sunflower seeds: no idea of their breakdown, but I assume they're complex carbs, which is not for PWO
1.5 cups milk: slow digesting protein: not good for PWO
peanut butter: a whole fricken jar?!! lol. absolutely tons of fat, which slows digestion: definitely not for PWO

It sounds damned tasty and I might give it a go, but as a between meal snack. A slower digesting protein than whey would be better, especially as heating whey denatures it, killing off some of the amino acids (or something like that).

For PWO, I don't think you can beat dextrose and whey.

Sorry, I guess I still owe you one :)
 
I don't mind since they rarely survive the journey to the gym and if I do eat them afterwards it's just to fill the gap to my chicken and noodles.

The sunflower seeds are high in unsat fats, have a good protein profile and are high in potassium, phosphorus, niacin and folic acid.
 
So the seeds add more fat. Wow, there must be a gazillion calories in one of those bars :)

I didn't mean it to sound like I was having a go. They do sound pretty tasty.

I tried changing my diet again today. I just can't stand eating rice at all now, so I switched to new potatoes. Sod the higher GI rating. I looked at the calories and realised I had to eat 0.5kg potatoes per portion. Sometimes I really hate bulking!
 
I'm amazed your stomach hasn't stretched yet. Anyway, you're not going to get any sympathy here. I've been having to eat enough to support the bulk of a 120Kg adult male for ages. Even if I'm 20% BF you're still not getting any sympathy. Just eat. ;)

I tried a three-point test on myself today with some new calipers and I came out at 18.something %. I'm going to enlist help tomorrow for a five or seven -point test.
 
blut wump said:
I'm amazed your stomach hasn't stretched yet. Anyway, you're not going to get any sympathy here. I've been having to eat enough to support the bulk of a 120Kg adult male for ages. Even if I'm 20% BF you're still not getting any sympathy. Just eat. ;)
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At the end of the day, I sometimes look like I'm about to give birth. But the fat fairies come and take it away during the night and I fit into my clothes again in the morning.

I dieted down (to 65kg) a few months ago to see what I'd look like and had to buy 30" waist trousers/jeans. I'm now at the point where my regular 32" trousers are getting tight. I've never, ever had a pair of 34" anything, so maybe that's where I draw the line.

blut wump said:
I tried a three-point test on myself today with some new calipers and I came out at 18.something %. I'm going to enlist help tomorrow for a five or seven -point test.
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One of BW's helpers: "come help roll him over, we need to do the other side."
 
I have a tractor ready for when needed.

Your deadlifting and abs work can give rise to the need for a larger waistband. I guess you have to decide where to stop and diet back down but the tape measure isn't the best indicator of your obesity levels.

I had an electical impedence test done about a year ago and it indicated I was around 24-25% which matched my own guess at the time. A couple of years before that I was probably over 40%, although I'd like to think high 30s. My sister's spouse took a video of the family and gave me a copy and I was so stunned to see myself that I joined a gym the following week. They were the ravages of a 4-5-year layoff.
 
anotherbutters said:
I dieted down (to 65kg) a few months ago to see what I'd look like and had to buy 30" waist trousers/jeans. I'm now at the point where my regular 32" trousers are getting tight. I've never, ever had a pair of 34" anything, so maybe that's where I draw the line.
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'Fat pants' :)
 
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