Dextrose in your shakes??

[jonny jacked]

anyone here put dextrose in their protein shakes?

and can anyone explain to me the reason behind doing this? (something to do with insulin spikes??)

karma for all relevant reponses

thanks bros

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Guys usually put dextrose and whey protein in their post workout shakes... About 40-60 grams of each depending on stats. The fast acting whey protein obviously does what protein does, helps repair and build muscles.. The dextrose is the fastest acting of all the carbs. After an intense workout your muscles are depleted of gycogen. Taking this dextrose fills your glecogen back up and eliminates catabolism...

Dextrose and a whey isolate protein is a great first took in helping you recover after a gruling workout..

Right now I am experiementing with another starchy carb called waxy maize. I want to see if its any better than dextrose..

 

[GymIntensity]

Guys usually put dextrose and whey protein in their post workout shakes... About 40-60 grams of each depending on stats. The fast acting whey protein obviously does what protein does, helps repair and build muscles.. The dextrose is the fastest acting of all the carbs. After an intense workout your muscles are depleted of gycogen. Taking this dextrose fills your glecogen back up and eliminates catabolism...

Dextrose and a whey isolate protein is a great first took in helping you recover after a gruling workout..

Right now I am experiementing with another starchy carb called waxy maize. I want to see if its any better than dextrose..

how/where can you get dextrose from? powder supp?

 

[get456]

I think you have to buy it online... I dont believe any of my local GNC type places sell it as I have looked for it.

Maybe Juiced can point us in the right direction

 

[kevikev]

how/where can you get dextrose from? powder supp?

I have been using it in post workout shakes for about a year now, it does seem to help recovery.

As far as a place to get it, I use trueprotein.com. You can make your own mix for a pretty good price. www.trueprotein.com

 

[jonny jacked]

how/where can you get dextrose from? powder supp?

I picked mine up at Bulk Barn. it is dirt cheap there. something like 20 cents for a 100 grams. thats up here in Canada though

 

[pentatonic]

You can buy it at most supplement places online, 1Fast400.com is the last place I bought it at. I think it was about a dollar per pound.

 

[GymIntensity]

thanks bros.

 

[GymIntensity]

whats the difference between dextrose and maltodextrin? which is better for pwo shake?

 

[nydj66]

Any carbohydrate will replenish glycogen stores after a workout. The reason BBers often use dextrose in their post-workout shake is because it will cause a spike in blood sugar that will trigger an insulin spike in reponse. The insulin spike will cause your body to add mass. It's quite a bit safer than injecting insulin.

The reason you use dextrose is that dextrose is pure glucose and will very quickly metabolize and raise blood sugar. The fructose in many other forms of sugar (table sugar and high fructose corn sweetner) prevents it from metabolizing quickly enough to cause the insulin spike.

The cheapest source of dextrose is beer brewers corn sugar. Buy it at a brewing supply store online or locally.

 

[ricorico]

the spike in insulin drives the nutrients (protien/aminos) into your muscles, didnt see this mentioned above.

 

[solidspine]

I would not recommed this unless your bf is below 9 percent.

 

[motoxer125]

I would not recommed this unless your bf is below 9 percent.

why not?

 

[hanibal]

why?

 

[swordfish151]

the spike in insulin drives the nutrients (protien/aminos) into your muscles, didnt see this mentioned above.

That is "mainly" why its used..

 

[swordfish151]

I would not recommed this unless your bf is below 9 percent.

I believe it doesnt really matter..if your 15% and using dextrose or higher then that..depending on goals will depend on the amount of dextrose used...but carbs are a deff must PWO.

 

[krishna]

I would not recommed this unless your bf is below 9 percent.

No reason not to if you're over 9%

 

[pentatonic]

No reason not to if you're over 9%

TRUE!

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Bodyfat doesnt matter.. You are replenishing your glycogen stores, shuttleing carbs right into your muscles, transporting protein and BCAA's and aiding in recovery..

You can adjust the amount of carbs depending on what your goals are but you need this carb source..

you can get dextrose at any online brewerly, www.trueprotein.com www.allthewhey.com and supplement places like supplementsdirect.com.

Its about a dollar per pound and a pound can last you up to a month...
Good cheap supplement to add to your arsenol!!!

I would reccommend taking a few hundred mg of R-ALA or Gluc-R when you take this... It will help your body use the carbs more effectively and store less as fat..

 

[JKurz1]

Dex makes me feel like complete shit........I have been going with a whole food meal 24 hours nutrition and love it!

 

[krishna]

Dex makes me feel like complete shit........I have been going with a whole food meal 24 hours nutrition and love it!

It's good to get a meal about an hour after your pw shake. I get a crash about 30-60 minutes after my pw shake with dextrose.

 

[JuicedAthletics]

It's good to get a meal about an hour after your pw shake. I get a crash about 30-60 minutes after my pw shake with dextrose.

If you feel that you are crashing after your PWO shake, you can throw 20-25 g of oatmeal in it and that will prevent you from crashing. I have tried it both ways and it seems to help.. That way you are getting your dextrose carbs instantly and slowly releasing the carbs in the oatmeal. It will cover you for a good 1.5 - 2 hours when its time for your second post workout meal..

 

[JKurz1]

I go oats and whey...within 20 minutes of training.....then a meal 45 mins later and my prebed snack an hour after that..........

 

[mikefear]

Any carbohydrate will replenish glycogen stores after a workout. The reason BBers often use dextrose in their post-workout shake is because it will cause a spike in blood sugar that will trigger an insulin spike in reponse. The insulin spike will cause your body to add mass. It's quite a bit safer than injecting insulin.

The reason you use dextrose is that dextrose is pure glucose and will very quickly metabolize and raise blood sugar. The fructose in many other forms of sugar (table sugar and high fructose corn sweetner) prevents it from metabolizing quickly enough to cause the insulin spike.

The cheapest source of dextrose is beer brewers corn sugar. Buy it at a brewing supply store online or locally.

excellent post.

 

[Mac173]

how/where can you get dextrose from? powder supp?

www.supplementdirect.com sells 11lbs for 10 bucks. Cheapest pwo meal ever.

 

[hrpiii]

If you feel that you are crashing after your PWO shake, you can throw 20-25 g of oatmeal in it and that will prevent you from crashing. I have tried it both ways and it seems to help.. That way you are getting your dextrose carbs instantly and slowly releasing the carbs in the oatmeal. It will cover you for a good 1.5 - 2 hours when its time for your second post workout meal..

I love this combination, use it quite a bit myself. It's like a sweet protein shake, with a little bite to it.

 

[motoxer125]

how much dextrose do you put in to the pwo shake??
i have always just eaten something with some carbs along with the shake, such as oatmeal.

 

[hrpiii]

about 30-40 gms while I'm watching my diet.. 60-80 mg while bulking.

 

[Knight9]

30-40 really isnt enough to spike insulin. it is widely believed you need about 60g to spike insulin.
i use 50-60g whey protein and then double that for carbs (100-130g carbs) when i am bulking.
i use about 1/2 cup of maltodextrin and 1/3 cup dextrose.
maltodextrin is actually faster acting than dex but has a bitter taste to it. technically it is also a 'complex carb' (malto is) because it is 8 sugar molecules as opposed to dextrose being 2 sugar molecules.
when i run out of malto....i use about 1/2 cup of dextrose.
id recommend 60-100g of fast acting carbs post workout and another good meal with NO FAT in it about an hour later.

 

[chicagobuffedbod]

This is a great thread. I've used Dextrose up until now. 20g of protein and about 100g of carbs for pre and post workout.
What do people take for preworkout? I'm wondering if I'm not taking the best ratio or carb source before hand.

 

[Knight9]

you dont want to spike your insulin pre workout..or you'll crash during your workout and feel tired/weak. so stay away from the dextrose..
complex carbs are usually good to take before your workouts.
oatmeal, whole grains, etc.
a weight gainer isnt a bad idea as the meal before your workout....maybe an hour or more before....(not right before you go into the gym).
that way you will have nutrients already in your system for when you start to lift.

 

[DBBT]

I'm taking 90-100g Protein post workout w/carbs.

NOW =brand name sells dextrose dirt cheap, search the net

 

[JKurz1]

I got a whole unopened bag I'll be happy to send ANYONE.....


and..........one of my partners insists on dex/apple juice + whey WHILE he trains.....just a notion

 

[get456]

and..........one of my partners insists on dex/apple juice + whey WHILE he trains.....just a notion

One of the trainers that was at my gym was an NPC competitor and he advocated drinking something similar, or at least pineapple juice while lifting

 

[solidspine]

Because there are not a lot of great reasons to add sugar to anything, we get plenty everywhere else,


Unless you are diabetic or have a contest, it seems way over analytical

If you are that concerned and your bf is below not 9% but 4 % than manage it that way,


It is like counting the hairs on your head if you are going bald, in the long run you will still be bald.

 

[JKurz1]

Because there are not a lot of great reasons to add sugar to anything, we get plenty everywhere else,


Unless you are diabetic or have a contest, it seems way over analytical

If you are that concerned and your bf is below not 9% but 4 % than manage it that way,


It is like counting the hairs on your head if you are going bald, in the long run you will still be bald.

LOL....what are you doing??? You are ruining your crediantials with every post.......we get a lot of sugars????????/ You maybe...

 

[JKurz1]

Dextrose is sugar plain and simple whereas like you stated maltodextrin is similar but I don't believe it is processed the same.
I know you already know Bino but for the others out there for a better explanation I'll go into it a bit further.

Dextrose is classified as a Monosaccharide, also called Glucose. Fructose is also in this category but has recently been found to enter the bloodstream slower and doesn't cause the rapid spike in bloodsugar levels as glucose(dextrose) does.

Maltodextrin on the other hand is categorized as a Complex carbohydrate also known as a Polysaccharide (made up of chains of glucose). Being that it isn't technically a simple sugar and is bound to more than one sugar-molecule I feel as if the spike in bloodsugar is lower than dextrose (as I don't get the immediate spike and then the lack of energy shortly after ingestion).. Also keep in mind that I'm only doing a very minimal amount of Maltodextrin (25grams) mixed with Vitargo (15grams) totally 40grams of mixed carbohydrates Post Workout, unlike some other guys doing straight dextrose at well over 50-75grams.
Something else to keep in mind is that fact that I use Insulin PWO which I didn't really want to mention but will to make my reasoning more clear.. As well as reading studies that show that 30-40grams of simple carbs actually help with the absorbtion and transportation of BCAA's.

I've done all three ways; Dextrose PWO, complex carbs (oats/b.rice/pasta) PWO, and now a mixture of carbs PWO and all three work well but I didn't enjoy the crash from dextrose, can't take regular complex carbs PWO with insulin so I'm stuck using the mixture of carbs to keep from going hypo.
Before I started the slin I would do 15g's liquid aminos with 10g's BCAA's followed by a PWO Meal 30mins later and it worked very well.

Sorry for the length, just wanted to get a full explanation.. All ways work, just find which works best for You

 

[mattchew]

I use 60g dex + 40 g Malto + 50g whey isolate post workout. During wourkout I sip on a shake with 20 oz H20, 15g dex and five grams whey. The shake during keeps cortisol levels down and aminos in blood stream, and the protein lowers the GI of the dextrose. If you don't have the second meal within 45 min to an hour after that shake, you will crash, and you feel like absolute shit. That second meal should, IMO, be something like a big baked potato and a couple of very lean chicken breasts, or yams instead of baked if you don't want the starch. Those carbs that you are ingesting post workout are the carbs that you are going to be using TOMORROW for your workout, i.e, carb loading the day before athletic events, or even two days before. Try as hard as possible to injest little or no fat when you have those meals that elicit an insulin spike. Anyway, my two cents, take it for what it's worth.

 

[solidspine]

LOL....what are you doing??? You are ruining your crediantials with every post.......we get a lot of sugars????????/ You maybe...

Define a lot, there are over 6 billion people here and a lot is different for each one,

So define a lot.


I have no credentials, so don’t be sarcastic when some one is trying to help you.


Everyone is different, and some of us are not robots, and yes there is way too much SUGAR in most peoples diet, maybe not yours, maybe you weigh everything all the time, but I suspect most people eat more carbs then they need.

But most of us are not lean and tall, most of us have to fight the fat off.



So you can keep the sarcasms to yourself, it would be appreciated

Everyone is trying to learn and help here,

What works for you may or may not work for someone else,

 

[JKurz1]

carbs are not the devil bro...........matter of fact....very necessary!

 

[motodawg]

Very informative even a little drama now i need a nap....I'm old LOL excellent read thanx

 

[JKurz1]

Exactly how u will feel if you use dextrose!

 

[DBBT]

I'm taking 90-100g Protein post workout w/carbs.

NOW =brand name sells dextrose dirt cheap, search the net

edit, i'm taking 100g protein post workout w/out carbs....

 

[Mac173]

30-40 really isnt enough to spike insulin. it is widely believed you need about 60g to spike insulin.
i use 50-60g whey protein and then double that for carbs (100-130g carbs) when i am bulking.
i use about 1/2 cup of maltodextrin and 1/3 cup dextrose.
maltodextrin is actually faster acting than dex but has a bitter taste to it. technically it is also a 'complex carb' (malto is) because it is 8 sugar molecules as opposed to dextrose being 2 sugar molecules.
when i run out of malto....i use about 1/2 cup of dextrose.
id recommend 60-100g of fast acting carbs post workout and another good meal with NO FAT in it about an hour later.

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. I think dex is faster acting than malto. is.

 

[nydj66]

I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. I think dex is faster acting than malto. is.

Nope,

The glycemic index of dextrose is 100 (by definition). Maltodextrin is slightly higher at 105.

 

[jonny jacked]

if you were going to use insulin - shot post workout, would it still be advisible to use dextrose in your post workout shake?

 

[Knight9]

definitely.