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tysonbox

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Depression was a side effect that I thought was for pussies, never thought twice about it. I went on some strong medication for acne (accutane) and I cycled at the same time. I knew both there side effects were depression. It was summer time, I had to look good! Need less to say, it fucked me up bad. I started to have panic attacks, small nervous break downs; I lost my motivation to anything, even live! I never felt like that in my life and I don’t ever want to feel like that again!! I even stopped working out (me, not work out, HAH!!).

So I haven’t cycled in two year, I’m about to do it again, and I’m a little nervous. I feel like a pussy asking this question, but does any one have any advice? Am I alone on this.:bigbuck:
 
How old are you? I'm 22 and concered with acne/depression also.
I took accutane when I was younger too, to be honest dont remember the depression. I am about to hit my first cycle also and am a bit concerned about clomid's depression...from what I ve researched I have noticed that some guys dont put the full blame of acne/depression on clomid but rather the fact that your off juice and your test levels are dropping...I dont know how I can help you on this but I'll give you what I am planning on doing for my cycle

Week 1-4 20mgs of dbol +LDEX
Week 1-10 500mgs of sust (nolva on hand+ ldex on hand)

I plan to use clomid on the 13'th week at the prescribed amount that most guys on here suggest...but if the acne gets real bad and or depression I will switch over to JUST nolva and see how that does for me.

Hope this helps man.

DecaBane
 
no, you're definitely not alone. my advice would be to stay away from tren (this is THE worst wrt psychological sides), and possibly eq also (eq gives a lot of bros anxiety). other than that there's virtually nothing else you can do to protect yourself. but by staying away from those two you shouldn't have much of a problem. hth bro, all the best! :)
 
if you think you may have real depression problems, you may want to see a doc about them.....find out the problems and fix them, or get medication for them....if you go on cycle, when you come off you'll probably be even worse than you are now
 
wait a minute...

fina and depression??

somebody please shed light on this. thanks.
 
How old are you? I'm 22 and concered with acne/depression also.I took accutane when I was younger too, to be honest dont remember the depression. I am about to hit my first cycle also and am a bit concerned about clomid's depression...from what I ve researched I have noticed that some guys dont put the full blame of acne/depression on clomid but rather the fact that your off juice and your test levels are dropping...I dont know how I can help you on this but I'll give you what I am planning on doing for my cycle

I just finished clomid two days ago and I can already notice a difference in mood. While on clomid I found myself thinking everything in my life is going wrong and I'm never going to succeed in anything. It was terrible. Now I'm starting to feel better. I will definately look into getting some hcg next time. Screw clomid
 
tysonbox said:
Depression was a side effect that I thought was for pussies, never thought twice about it. I went on some strong medication for acne (accutane) and I cycled at the same time. I knew both there side effects were depression. It was summer time, I had to look good! Need less to say, it fucked me up bad. I started to have panic attacks, small nervous break downs; I lost my motivation to anything, even live! I never felt like that in my life and I don’t ever want to feel like that again!! I even stopped working out (me, not work out, HAH!!).

So I haven’t cycled in two year, I’m about to do it again, and I’m a little nervous. I feel like a pussy asking this question, but does any one have any advice? Am I alone on this.:bigbuck:


having depression does make you a "pussy" bro, i know lots of people who are depressed and will snap and fight anyone in a second.....wow i do live in a shitty town:rolleyes:
 
that's why i like short cycles now. i don't seem to feel as bad afterwards... no more clomid for me either... can't stand that stuff.

jkerry
 
If you have depression - get it treated. Untreated it gets worse. It's sort of like a broken leg. Untreated it one day turns to gangrene. Treat it and it gets better.
 
its sad that more ppl dont have more respect for there sanity. i had a hugely bad bout of life crushing depression last sept and ive not cycled since. dont know if i ever will again.
 
I don't have problems now. It stopped right after I stopped using. I can handle broken legs, and all forms of pain, in fact I enjoy pain. I just can't handle the mental shit. I can't handle not being able to get out of bed in the morning, because i don't care about anything in my life. It was about 6 months of pure hell, then a year and half vacation, but I learned from it. AND I'M BACK!!!
 
tysonbox said:
I don't have problems now. It stopped right after I stopped using. I can handle broken legs, and all forms of pain, in fact I enjoy pain. I just can't handle the mental shit. I can't handle not being able to get out of bed in the morning, because i don't care about anything in my life. It was about 6 months of pure hell, then a year and half vacation, but I learned from it. AND I'M BACK!!!

Talk to a doctor and ask HIM if you are back. You may not be in a possition to make that judgement. Depression can cloud your perception of yourself.
 
Here is a post i made some time ago Bro


Physiological Side Effects of AS & CBT

There are many side effects of AS some of which you may have realised some of which you may never. This discussion point / information is not to scare you but to offer advice.
Men taking anabolic steroids run the risk of changes in sexual characteristics as well as changes in reproductive functioning. The following may also be experienced:
a. baldness
b. difficulty urinating
c. enlarged prostate
d. breast development
e. reduced sperm count
f. impotence
g. testicular shrinkage
Women who abuse anabolic steroids may also experience negative effects which can include:
a. facial hair growth
b. changes in or absence of menstrual periods
c. breast reduction
d. deepened tone of voice
e. clitoral enlargement
Side effects which may be common in both sexes include:
a. swollen feet and ankles
b. acne
c. jaundice
d. trembling
e. liver damage
f. halitosis
g. high blood pressure
h. various cancers
i. aching joints and increased joint injuries
j. reduction in HDL cholesterol

But what is not discussed is the possible physiological issues. We have all heard of roid rage but with more and more research being conducted this is the official stance:
Administration of AS may affect behavior. Increased testosterone levels in the blood are associated with masculine behavior, aggressiveness and increased sexual desire. Increased aggressiveness may be beneficial for athletic training, but may also lead to overt violence outside the gym or the track. There are reports of violent, criminal behavior in individuals taking AS. Other side effects of AS are euphoria, confusion, sleeping disorders, pathological anxiety, paranoia, and hallucinations.
Anabolic steroid users may become dependent on the drug, with symptoms of withdrawal after cessation of drug use. The withdrawal symptoms consist of aggressive and violent behavior, mental depression with suicidal behavior, mood changes, and in some cases acute psychosis. At present it is unknown which individuals are particularly at risk. It is likely that great individual differences in responsiveness may exist. Some individuals try to minimize the withdrawal affects by administration of human choriogonadotropins (hCG), in order to enhance endogenous testosterone production. However, it is unknown in how far the hCG administration is successful in ameliorating the withdrawal effects.

I will not say I agree with all the comments above but evidence does show that long term AS can cause distorted thinking (i.e. depression, anxiety etc). There is however a therapy being used by many athletes (due IMHO to increased usage of AS) it is called:
Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy.(CBT)

CBT is a form of psychotherapy that emphasizes the important role of thinking in how we feel and what we do. Cognitive-behavioral therapist teach that when our brains are healthy, it is our thinking that causes us to feel and act the way we do. Therefore, if we are experiencing unwanted feelings and behaviors, it is important to identify the thinking that is causing the feelings / behaviors and to learn how to replace this thinking with thoughts that lead to more desirable reactions.

There are several approaches to cognitive-behavioral therapy, including Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, Rational Behavior Therapy, Rational Living Therapy, Cognitive Therapy, and Dialectic Behavior Therapy.

However, most cognitive-behavioral therapies have the following characteristics:

1. CBT is based on the Cognitive Model of Emotional Response.
Cognitive-behavioral therapy is based on the scientific fact that our thoughts
cause our feels and behaviors, not external things, like people, situations, and
events. The benefit of this fact is that we can change the way we think to
feel / act better even if the situation has not changed. .
3. A sound therapeutic relationship is necessary for effective therapy, but
not the focus.
Some forms of therapy assume that the main reason people get better in
therapy is because of the positive relationship between the therapist and
client. Cognitive-behavioral therapists believe it is important to have a good,
trusting relationship, but that is not enough. CBT therapists believe that the
client changes when they learn to think differently; therefore, CBT therapists
focus on teaching rational self-counseling skills.
4. CBT is a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client.
Cognitive-behavioral therapist seek to learn what their clients want out of life
(their goals) and then help their clients achieve those goals. The therapist's
role is to listen, teach, and encourage, while the client's roles is to speak,
learn, and implement what they learn.
5. CBT is based on stoic philosophy.
Cognitive-behavioral therapy does not tell people how to feel. However, most
people seeking therapy do not want to feel they way they do. CBT teaches
the benefits of feeling, at worst, calm when confronted with undesirable
situations. It also emphasizes the fact that we have our undesirable situations
whether we are upset about them or not. If we are upset about our problems,
we have two problems -- the problem, and our upset about it. Most sane
people want to have the fewest number of problems possible.

6. CBT uses the Socratic Method.
Cognitive-behavioral therapists want to gain a very good understanding of
their clients concerns. That's why they often ask questions. They also
encourage their clients to ask questions of themselves, like, "How do I
really know that those people are laughing at me?" "Could they be laughing
about something else?"

7. CBT is structured and directive.
Cognitive-behavioral therapists have a specific agenda for each session.
Specific techniques / concepts are taught during each session. CBT
focuses on helping the client achieve the goals they have set. CBT is
directive in that respect. However, CBT therapists do not tell their clients
what to do -- rather, they teach their clients how to do.

8. CBT is based on an educational model.
CBT is based on the scientifically supported assumption that most emotional
and behavioral reactions are learned. Therefore, the goal of therapy is to
help clients unlearn their unwanted reactions and to learn a new way of
reacting. While CBT therapists do not present themselves as "know-it-alls",
the assumption is that if clients knew what the therapist had to teach them,
the clients would not have the emotional / behavioral problems they are
experiencing.

Therefore, CBT has nothing to do with "just talking". People can "just talk"
with anyone.

The educational emphasis of CBT has an additional benefit -- it leads to
long term results. When people understand how and why they are doing
well, they can continue doing what they are doing to make themselves well.

9. CBT theory and techniques rely on the Inductive Method.
A central aspect of Rational thinking is that it is based on fact, not simply
our assumptions made. Often, we upset ourselves about things when, in
fact, the situation isn't like we thought it was. Had we known that, we would
not have wasted our time upsetting ourselves.

Therefore, the inductive method encourages us to look at our thoughts as
being hypotheses that can be questioned and tested. If we find that our
hypotheses are incorrect (because we have new information), then we can
change our thinking to be in line with how the situation really is.

There are over 25 very common mental mistakes that people make that cause
them to not have the facts straight.

Hope you find this interesting

References Used

Harm Kuipers, M.D., Ph.D.
Department of Physiology
University of Limburg

Kuipers, H. (1998). Anabolic steroids: side effects. In: Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science, T.D.Fahey (Editor). Internet Society for Sport Science: http://sportsci.org. 7 March 1998.


Wrongun!
 
Couldn't agree more with wrongun about CBT.

I have read at least a dozen books on cognitive therapy and highly recommend Dr. David Burns' FEELING GOOD HANDBOOK, not to be confused with his earlier work, FEELING GOOD. Both of them are amazing, but the handbook is more user friendly.
 
kbrkbr said:
Couldn't agree more with wrongun about CBT.

I have read at least a dozen books on cognitive therapy and highly recommend Dr. David Burns' FEELING GOOD HANDBOOK, not to be confused with his earlier work, FEELING GOOD. Both of them are amazing, but the handbook is more user friendly.

Agreed Bro after much research i think it is an excellent skill to have and really does help IMHO

Wrongun!
 
SofaGeorge said:


Talk to a doctor and ask HIM if you are back. You may not be in a possition to make that judgement. Depression can cloud your perception of yourself.

That is so true

Wrongun!
 
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