Dependant on Stimulats (ECA/NYC/CLEN)

[Zerxes]

Is this possible? Not Cocaine, or Meth, but the BB applications, i.e, ECA, NYC, Clen? I'll tell you why I ask. I have been taking either a ECA dose, or NYC dose first thing in the morning for as long as I can remember. About a month ago, I switched to Novegam, and was very pleased with the results, to put it lightly. Thing is though, I started to notice the last week of the Clen @ 8 tabs/day(4 AM, 4 PM), that I was extremely exhausted, and was actually sleeping more than I was wound up. I wanted to run the 8 tabs/day up until last Saturday, but had to cut it off Friday night, as it was litterally killing me. I was very sore in the joints that day as well. Almost like I was on Winny...that type of joint-pain, if you will. So as of Saturday, I havn't been using anything stimulant, for the first time in ages. I am so friggin tired, it is beyond description. I slept all night last night, got up today around 3PM, did some chores, came back home and slept again until 10:30PM. I missed the whole goddamn day, which isn't like me, just so you know. I like to get up early and enjoy my day, as life is short right?! So anyhow, I took some NYC a few hours ago, with a cup of Java, and notice that I feel "normal" again. Not tired, and ready to go out and do stuff. Too bad it's friggin 1AM! So back to the original question: could it be that my body has become dependant on these substances for energy, and doesn't function properly without them, or is it all in my head?

Thanks

 

[head2toe]

yes, you are "dependent" but your receptors (mostly the beta receptors) will recover usually in a few weeks..but the few weeks suck ass...
like dan duchaine said athletes look and feel like shit for 2 weeks after stopping clen.

try usin ephed less often and when you have to increase the dose, take a day or two off...and save it for when you need it

 

[Mysterio]

I can't speak for those substances but I notice my sleeping patterns was disturb after the use of adderall. I now know I will never be the same.

 

[Focker]

I can't speak for those substances but I notice my sleeping patterns was disturb after the use of adderall. I now know I will never be the same.

Same thing here. Adderall has definitely fucked me up. When I don't take it, I'm so fucking lazy that I forget to cook which means I don't eat right. People say adderall destroys your appetite but it gives me an appetite. If I take one and don't eat, my stomach growls and I feel like shit. Days I don't take it I sleep all day and don't get shit done. I'm sure the effect of less potent stimulants (ECA, NYC, etc) is similar. Afterall, a stimulant is a stimulant.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Zerxes- I had the same thing happen to me, with the exact same substances: ECA, NYC, Clen. For about two years, I used one of those on a daily basis... like others have said, it'll take a few weeks before you feel normal again, but you WILL get back to a good baseline w/o the use of any stimulants. Just tough it out Bro, it'll be worth it... I have an amazing amount of energy and I haven't touched that shit for months. I'll have a coffee once/week(maybe), other than that... I'm stimulant free now.

 

[bunkka]

I've been going through about the same thing.

Withdrawals have been hard. I was usually on Diet Fuel (throwing in an aspirin for workouts). I've been sleeping very late in the morning (afternoons often), too.

I recently started taking 1-2 NYCs a day and I'm not feeling shit on it. IT's definitely not kicking like ECA or Diet Fuel. I also got really good results on Xenadrine over last summer.

Sometimes, during a bulking cycle, it's good to let your receptors snap back to normal. IT's just, restwise, a bitch.

 

[Mike P.T.]

So back to the original question: could it be that my body has become dependant on these substances for energy, and doesn't function properly without them, or is it all in my head?

Thanks

Yup. Same thing happened to me as well bro. I usually go through my periods though then stop completey. Takes me a week to fully function normally after going off.

 

[Zerxes]

Damn. It looks like I'm going to have to stay on them then. I can't deal with how tired I am. No exaggerating, but I had a hard time holding my arm above my head to do my Tricep Synthol injections today.

One more thing: Do you guys get joint-pain, simialr to winny joint-pain, on high doses of Clen? Thanks.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Damn. It looks like I'm going to have to stay on them then. I can't deal with how tired I am. No exaggerating, but I had a hard time holding my arm above my head to do my Tricep Synthol injections today.

One more thing: Do you guys get joint-pain, simialr to winny joint-pain, on high doses of Clen? Thanks.

Never got joint pains from clen(only used it for a short time though since I didn't like how it made me feel. 60mg ephedrine at one dose makes me feel better than 1 of those lil 20mcg pills. As for joint pains with winny I never suffered from that either even when I was on a winny only cycle so I can't help you there.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Do you guys get joint-pain, simialr to winny joint-pain, on high doses of Clen? Thanks.

I get some pretty bad cramping while on clen... in weird places too. I'll be sitting in class and one side of my neck will just seize up... or I'll be driving and my lat will cramp up. By most standards, I was on a lot of Clen too: 150mcg-200mcg/day.

I found that my receptors downgraded SO FAST on Clen... it became useless to me, no matter what schedule I used.

 

[BigAndy69]

Don't use Clen without Taurine. Clen depletes Taurine levels in the liver which can cause many problems including cramping.

Clen also dehydrates you quite a bit.

 

[Moe]

Over the counter ephedra products CAN become addictive. I have used them extensively for weeks on end, and not 6 per day as is recommended. At one point, I was taking in 6 for breakfast 6 for lunch and another 6 before a workout for a total of 18 per day. This went for Ripped Fuel (not to exceed 6 per day) and Thermadrine (not to exceed 2 per day).

I was sleeping less and less, and when I didn't eat enough, which is difficult on that much stimulant, I was getting the shakes and even occasional convulsions. Bad, bad, BAD.