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Deca VS Sust for newbie
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JESA1 said:
Newbie here to but I've been researching for like a year and have got alot of info from these guys.
I'm doing deca 300 and sustanon 250. it's my 1st cycle. Gonna take this to bulk and then after to cut.
Since it's your 1st time it's best to do it right casue NOW is the time for your best gains. Stack whatever you choose with something.
SAF
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I hope you realize that using Deca alone is practically useless. It's great to stack Deca with pretty much anything, but stacking Deca with test, such as Sustanon, is a great mass building combo. If you're worried about getting bloated, then invest in some arimidex, which prevents estrogen from exerting its water-retaining effects on your body.
If you dont know what Arimidex is, or, if you dont want to spend the money to buy it, then simply watch your diet (keep away from sodium and high carbs, or at least shitty types of carbs) and make sure you do plenty of cardio throughout the week and you'll be fine.
Most guys that use test without arimidex get bloated simply because they dont eat right, dont do cardio, or simply lack the knowledge to do any of these things.
SAF
If you dont know what Arimidex is, or, if you dont want to spend the money to buy it, then simply watch your diet (keep away from sodium and high carbs, or at least shitty types of carbs) and make sure you do plenty of cardio throughout the week and you'll be fine.
Most guys that use test without arimidex get bloated simply because they dont eat right, dont do cardio, or simply lack the knowledge to do any of these things.
SAF
my first cycle was deca normas and nile sust 400/500 mg week. It made awsome gains and still hold alot of them and my last shot was dec 15. I went from 210-240 but dropped to 230 pretty fast afterward. right now im 225 and just took my first shot of my 2nd cycle today. I gained a little bit of fat but with the muscle gain it was worth it.
el cubano said:
I have to agree cubano. I know several bro's who have done Deca only cycles for their first, and the results were very impressive!!! Sex drive was an issue for one, so I would advice test or proviron with the deca, if you have a girlfriend or plan to have one...
HugeWannabe
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Sust + deca is a great first cycle. Dosages are upto you.
Sust + EQ as well is good. You wont hold as much water as Deca, Run liquidex ED or EOD and you can eliminate bloat on either of those cycles.
Sust + EQ as well is good. You wont hold as much water as Deca, Run liquidex ED or EOD and you can eliminate bloat on either of those cycles.
JESA1 said:
It's tuff to say because deca doesn't kill everybody's sex drive. If you aren't one of the lucky ones that can stay hard on deca alone, winny will not help you get a hard on. I ran deca alone my very first time and did gain what your looking for a solid 10lbs that I kept. The only problem is it made tzan jr. sleepy for a long time. If I had to do it again I would run the deca with just a little bit of test like 250mg a week no more.
Deca dick doesn't happen to everyone, only way to find out is to try it.JESA1 said:
Test is good too. The only issue being when adding test if you don't want to become bloated you're going to have to add some type of anti-e.
Deca/Winstrol makes for a good cycle.
200 - 300mgs/week of Deca
50mgs/ED of Winstrol or you could use Dianabol at 25mgs/ED (this will be alot cheaper)
Sustenon 250mgs/week with Deca 200mgs/week - This is also a good one.
There are a million different ways to do this, you just need to find out what's available and how much you want to spend.
Genarr3 is right about the anti e's with deca/sust cycle. Like I said I gained about 30 pounds but My face looked like a chipmunk. I actually hade someone ask me if I got my wisdom teeth pulled. I hade anti's on hand in case I started getting bitch tits but just wanted to see how massive I could get without them. Plus the extra water helped with the strenth. I will never do it again though. I was was to bloated. I could hardly even bend to shoot myself in the ass. heheh
KA-BAR said:
ok, exactly what i'm trying to figure out. i'm a newbie and was plannin on runnin deca/primo depot OR deca ONLY for my 1st cycle. (i'm leanin towards deca/primo... although i have friends who agree with some of you and say great gains can be made on deca alone).
i want to avoid heavy, heavy water retention. and from what i've read the really high water retention is from the test ; you think i'm gonna experience similar thing with deca/primo cycle?
i wanted to keep good solid gains (hoping for @ 15 lbs. of solid muscle) after cycle is done. 5'11, 155 lbs., 31 yrs.
feel free to toss in any other thoughts....
WHat is better oranges or apples ? Used alone both have positive and negative points. Sustanon will give you good gains, some strenght and keep your sex drive up, but you can easily bloat and gyno is a possibility with high dosage. As for Deca, gyno isnt usually an issue, great mass gainer, few sides but watch your sex drive, plus if you're one of those few unlucky guys who are prone to pro-gyno then so sad for you since its very hard to control.....
