Deca vs Fina

[Supercharged]

I am about to do my first cycle. I am trying to decide between Deca and Fina. I want to bulk up but stay lean - gain about 15 or 20 lbs of lean muscle. I am prone to hairloss and gyno and want to avoid both wherever possible. I would combine either of the two with Winny. I am going to get clomid and nolvadex for when I get off, but I also need to know what other anti-estrogen to use while on(if any). I've done my homework, but I can't seem to find too much on how bad the sides are with Fina. All the posts I've read just rave about the stuff. Thanx for any help...

 

[Tigerparks]

One question. If this is your first cycle how do you know you're prone to gyno?
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[Supercharged]

Not completely sure, but it runs in the family. My big bro got it from taking Deca.

Thanks anyway---

 

[the_Pikey]

You can take Proviron throughout the cycle with Nolvadex if you feel the need. They make a great combo. Also the two will reduce water bloat and give you a "harder" look.


If you don't mind every day injections go with the Fina/Winny stack for bigger results while still staying lean.

The Winny alone will block most armomatization from the Fina, so you may not even need Prov and Nolv, just have some Nolv on hand in case the nipples start to get puffy.

In my experience Deca will have a greater chance of gyno, and I dont' think the results are as good as Fina personally.

 

[Tigerparks]

Dude,
Deca & Fina are two different acting substances. But as you mentioned you want size and strength,and stay lean I'd opt for Fina. That is if you're an advanced user, which you're not.
Fina is pretty harsh on the kidneys too. And can give you bad mood swings!
Which brings us to Deca. Most people can get away with up to 400mgs of deca per week without any gyno problems. But than that's where Nolva comes in handy ..... at the first sign of itchy nips!

Hope this helps.

 

[apbt549]

The Winny alone will block most armomatization from the Fina, so you may not even need Prov and Nolv, just have some Nolv on hand in case the nipples start to get puffy


Nolv. will not do jack shit for gyno caused by fina or deca !!!!!!!!!!!!so to have nolv or prov. is a waste of money for a fina only or deca only cycle

 

[manny78]

Go with Fina and winny. Both are a perfect combo for strenght and you shouldn't be worried with gyno, while running winny.....

 

[panerai]

Go with Fina.

 

[ready2explode]

IMO fina isnt good for a first cycle and deca is never good alone. Go with some kinda test for 10-12 weeks and you're gonna blow up with a lot of strength.

 

[Shawn]

what?

The Winny alone will block most armomatization from the Fina, so you may not even need Prov and Nolv, just have some Nolv on hand in case the nipples start to get puffy


Nolv. will not do jack shit for gyno caused by fina or deca !!!!!!!!!!!!so to have nolv or prov. is a waste of money for a fina only or deca only cycle

wrong..nolv and arimidix will block any gyno..i dont care estrogen, progesterone..gyno is developed by more than one mechanism, more than one receptor..nolv suppresses igf-1 levels, which is so increased from deca or fina, more from fina...and that causes gyno as well..nolvadex or arimidex will dothe job..you're too strung up with all the rumors..have you tried fina with nolvadex? i dont think so..

 

[apbt549]

do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion .............

 

[the_Pikey]

The Winny alone will block most armomatization from the Fina, so you may not even need Prov and Nolv, just have some Nolv on hand in case the nipples start to get puffy


Nolv. will not do jack shit for gyno caused by fina or deca !!!!!!!!!!!!so to have nolv or prov. is a waste of money for a fina only or deca only cycle

Hey Spanky, do your research before you decide to flame.

The most knowledgable agree that Nolvadex could be very helpful for Fina gyno..........


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Another: http://130.94.172.91/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=736

 

[apbt549]

The problem with ru-486 is that it is not widely available, and is expensive as shit. You can't get this stuff everywhere. Mexico for instance does not have it, and that's where most people get their affordable gear.

Until the price/availability problem with ru-486 clears up, or they release the progesterone version of arimidex, this gyno debate will rage on.

I don't think there are any answers for this at this time. Sure, nolva may help. It may not. Deca might give you gyno, it may not. Fina may give you gyno, it may not. Yadda yadda yadda. The best we can do is make guesses at this stuff. And just because there isn't some scientific study on something does not mean it's not true. Last I heard, clomid had nothing to back up it's ability to restart the hpta. Neither does anastrozole. But add them together and they will get you started back pretty damn quick. So yeah, the winny vs. progesterone gyno is just theory at this time. But it has neither been proven, nor disproven.


this is from txlonghorn

you might want to read the stuff yourself there spanky

 

[MasterMind]

You can take Proviron throughout the cycle with Nolvadex if you feel the need. They make a great combo. Also the two will reduce water bloat and give you a "harder" look.


If you don't mind every day injections go with the Fina/Winny stack for bigger results while still staying lean.

The Winny alone will block most armomatization from the Fina, so you may not even need Prov and Nolv, just have some Nolv on hand in case the nipples start to get puffy.

In my experience Deca will have a greater chance of gyno, and I dont' think the results are as good as Fina personally.

your right about using nolvadex but fina doesnt aromatize...it elevates igf-1 levels so as deca, and that causes gyno and because there are some progesterone effects by fina but it attaches to the estrogen receptor so the progesterone attaching to the estrogen receptor along with the high elevation of igf-1 would account for the gyno..so block estrogen and gyno wont be there since gyno development is ocurred from more than one mechanism (estrogen, igf-1, etc..) so suppressing igf-1 when its too high and also estrogen, using nolvadex, is what you want..keeping igf high but not too high and estrogen out is what you want..and to avoid gyno..

and to the guy above, thats not my opnion only, it is a fact..

 

[waterboy]

do a nice sust250 @ 500mg for 10 weeks and youl be fine

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

pikey beat me to it. Nolva does seem to help with tren. Something with 1gf1 suppression. Whenever I have gotten puffy sensitive nips on tren adding nolva has stopped the problem. Winstrol+nolva is a good safety net.

 

[da big thinker]

Go with Fina.

I SECOND THAT NOTION...in addition,the one thing i regret not using in my 1st cycle is:TEST...---fyi--WOW what a combo that is...