Deca Shutdown or Tren Shutdown..?

[Ulter]

It is a nandrolone.

Tren is not nandrolone.

17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one

19-Nor-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol

 

[lanky]

tren is an estrane,,and so is nandrolone,,,both are 19 nor compounds.

there are many different ways of naming a molecule..it can be confusing sometimes i agree

 

[Ulter]

Okay, then you call it a nandrolone. I don't call eq a testosterone. But I could.

 

[lawnsaver]

Elevated prolactin (from progestagenic coumpounds) will hinder post-cycle recovery of the HPTA. The use of cabergoline through a nandrolone cycle and PCT will greatly improve the recovery.

All AAS in BB'ing dosages shut down the HPTA. After a short cycle without nandrolones recovery should take about 3 weeks.

After a long cycle without nandrolones, recovery will take about 6 weeks unless HCG is used. When used properly, HCG can reduce recovery time to 3 weeks.

After a nandrolone cycle (without a dopamine agonist like cabergoline) recovery can be even longer than 6 weeks depending on the individual. Again, if prolactin is properly managed and HCG is used, recovery can be acheived in 3 weeks.

What is up with these generalized statements. They are not true with everyone and most of the time its not true for the majority.

All steroids cause HPTA shutdown = TRUE

HCG will speed up recovery = True if used properly

Cabergoline can speed up recovery after taking tren, nandralone, or anadrol = TRUE

I am making a point that the 3 substances can and usually do make for a tougher and longer recovery compared to estrogenic steroids, no matter what other substances are taken with it = TRUE

I never said that test and other steroids were not suppressive. I did say that everyone is different. One thing might work for one and doesnt work for another.

We are all continuously taking what ever substances around to help us recover. Some work better, and some dont work at all.

But to say to all that read that Cabergoline is the solve all solution to recovery is misleading and that needs to be pointed out.

As I said in a post above, I took tren and test and with HCG, CLomid, and N-dex it still took me 6 months, another cycle with PCT to bring my test levels back up.

Cabergoline wasnt around yet, but it I had taken it, maybe it would have taken 3 months, but the point still remains that FOR ME it has never taken longer than 4 to 5 weeks for me to fully recover from a cycle not containing tren, nandralone, or anadrol.

TO ME that means it is easier to recover with the 3 mentioned above.

 

[krishna]

tren is an estrane,,and so is nandrolone,,,both are 19 nor compounds.

there are many different ways of naming a molecule..it can be confusing sometimes i agree

Right you are bro.

 

[krishna]

Okay, then you call it a nandrolone. I don't call eq a testosterone. But I could.

You could, and some people do.

 

[lanky]

EQ is an androstane

 

[krishna]

EQ is an androstane

It's a derivative of test correct? I think that's probably what he meant.

 

[lanky]

It's a derivative of test correct? I think that's probably what he meant.

you could say that..it would help if everyone brought up a picture from the internet on a picture of eq and a picture of testosterone..they could see for themselves the differences

 

[falcyou]

10 weeks after a Tren E/andro275/clen cycle that i drew out over about 17 weeks (10 weeks on tren e). i used dostinex for the 10 weeks i was on tren e. i did 12,000 iu hcg on week 10, and i did 2 weeks of hcg 5,000 iu every 3rd day after the full cycle + nolvadex.
NO sex drive whatsoever after 10 weeks. I did the dostinex and HCG, but it did still completlet kill the sex drive. I'm gonna start another cyc in about 2 weeks or so...beleive it or not gonna go w/ Tren E again cuz the gains were UNREAL! This time i'm thinking of adding Priviron, more dostinex, and higher HCG doeses w/ some small sus doses after the Tren E. hoping a more aggressive pct will improve on the end of my tren e cycle shut down this time around.