Deca only cycle..

[Magick69]

bros I have already read the shut down and deca dick issue but i wonder...has anyone tried a deca only cycle? with what result in terms of gain, libido etc...?

about a deca only cycle i found these are interesting


ahhh the long time deca dick debate.....fucking great......you should start to notice gains(strenght) straight away (1st week) actual visible muscle gains around 2-3 weeks. .............as for deca dick i dont get it my friends dont get it nor do any of there friends.........some people do get it and the only way to find out is to try it for your self (as you are)....nandrolone is a well tolerated drug and is only low-moderate in sides....(unless your one of the unlucky ones who gets impotent) personally i love deca and its effects on lbm.....a lot of people are put of using it due to all the limp stories which i think is a shame....
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i'm with ya on this...a couple of my buddies have used it alone...and have not had libido issues as far as i know...since they bitch to me about everything else negative when it come to the juice
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Bill,

I am about to start a 7 week cycle of Deca-Durabolin. Do you recommend stacking an anti-estrogen (such as Nolvadex or Clomid) with Deca? I don’t want to get bloated. Also, what are some ways to combat some of the short-term side effects (mainly acne) of Deca?

Thanks,
Dallas

If Deca is the only androgen being used, antiestrogens won’t help much if at all with bloating, because the bloating is not from increased estrogen. Moderate-dose Deca use doesn’t increase estrogen levels: in fact it can reduce them.

You could try stacking some Winstrol if there is any bloating. But actually, most people don’t get severe bloating on moderate dose Deca.

As for acne, cleansing agents such as cleaning pads containing salicylic acid, or witch hazel, are helpful. And if you are using only moderate dose Deca (400 mg/week or less) then you may have little trouble with acne even if you take no measures against acne.


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[Bozwell]

bros I have already read the shut down and deca dick issue but i wonder...has anyone tried a deca only cycle? with what result in terms of gain, libido etc...?

about a deca only cycle i found these are interesting


ahhh the long time deca dick debate.....fucking great......you should start to notice gains(strenght) straight away (1st week) actual visible muscle gains around 2-3 weeks. .............as for deca dick i dont get it my friends dont get it nor do any of there friends.........some people do get it and the only way to find out is to try it for your self (as you are)....nandrolone is a well tolerated drug and is only low-moderate in sides....(unless your one of the unlucky ones who gets impotent) personally i love deca and its effects on lbm.....a lot of people are put of using it due to all the limp stories which i think is a shame....
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i'm with ya on this...a couple of my buddies have used it alone...and have not had libido issues as far as i know...since they bitch to me about everything else negative when it come to the juice
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Bill,

I am about to start a 7 week cycle of Deca-Durabolin. Do you recommend stacking an anti-estrogen (such as Nolvadex or Clomid) with Deca? I don’t want to get bloated. Also, what are some ways to combat some of the short-term side effects (mainly acne) of Deca?

Thanks,
Dallas

If Deca is the only androgen being used, antiestrogens won’t help much if at all with bloating, because the bloating is not from increased estrogen. Moderate-dose Deca use doesn’t increase estrogen levels: in fact it can reduce them.

You could try stacking some Winstrol if there is any bloating. But actually, most people don’t get severe bloating on moderate dose Deca.

As for acne, cleansing agents such as cleaning pads containing salicylic acid, or witch hazel, are helpful. And if you are using only moderate dose Deca (400 mg/week or less) then you may have little trouble with acne even if you take no measures against acne.


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I am male I need test simple as that ,dont stack nolva with deca or tren as it can make gyno flare up,if only doing a 7 weeker use some npp

 

[Powerbuilder333]

My very first cycle was a Norma Deca only cycle. I started at 200mg EW and finished at 400mg EW. I think it was a 12 week cycle. Pulled my all time best 675 (so far. It's been 9 years and counting) deadlift during that cycle. A few weeks later I had blood work done and my Test levels where equal to that of a teenage girl. Either before or during the time of the blood work I was using Clomid.
This tells me several things: Deca works great. Deca shuts you down hard. Clomid doesn't kick start your testes, or if it does it's a negligible differance.

 

[Magick69]

cheers bros these are other threads i find it and they seem good any other and what about hairloss and deca?
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i made great gains on deca only in terms of size and strength. don't remember having a problem with deca dick. maybe i didn't have a girlfriend at the time and was therefore glad of the rest

despite peoples reservations about Deca only cycles if you stack staking different compunds too early how are you to know what works?

i know a lot of people will disagree but you've asked for personal experiences and not ' what i've read' info. in my personal experience i made good gains on Deca. my first cycle was only 200mg /week and i made great gains on it and didn't notice a loss after finishing course.
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I did a six week cycle and had great gains on a reasonable diet and alot of hard training,wieghts and mma training.Lost the bloat,about half a stone,but kept the rest,well pleased,just about to start next cycle with hopefully simular gains.
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Go for 400mg week and you will be good to go .. I had no sides with this but I went up to 600mg/w and got large... People are all different but 200mg/wk is a waste of time, money and htpa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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have to disagree with most here.. IMO Deca is a great choice for your first cycle. I did deca 10 weeks at between 200-400mgs. Gained 25 pounds and kept 20. I did no pct at the time. I was also only 27. My overall experience with deca was nothing short of amazing. I like it in all my cycles. Due to the healing effect it has on my tired arse knees. Also never had a problem with Deca Diack actually the opposite occured. But you must remember eveyone is different. But I will say this at the time I did it with three other friends and we all were as happy as could be.
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Yeah I have to agree with bringndaheat Deca is awesome! I am not as experienced as many here. I have completed about 11 ten week cycles in my life. Im 34 now and started when I was 21.

I find the best results on DECA alone. I have stacked with great results. But on atleast 6 cycles I did deca alone. I always have big gains and in general DECA gets my muscles more dense.

Another interesting personal study is I can do about 450+ complete bar dips while I am doing DECA. When I stop I can only do about 250 or so. The drop off is gradual of course. But with TEST E I only get to about 400. Im a very into pushing my mind and body to the total max limits and I can tell the difference and how my muscles feel. I mainly do roids becuase I like the feeling it gives me for mtn biking and tri-athalons. Fine call me a cheater I like to be the winner at races in the over 30 crowd hehehe
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Hey HellScream......Checked your profile and see that you are in your early 20's....I will tell you from personal experience that I did the same cycle when I was your age before there was Meso and all this great info and gained a good 10 lbs on a deca only cycle 400 mg a week... 8 weeks...... totally ripped and never had the "deca dick" .......Just to be safe if you have never done a cycle why don't you try the deca cycle @400mg a week and have some test for backup at 5-6 weeks. ...If you think you are having a problem after 5 weeks add some test frontload @ 500 mg then 500mg a week . Don't forget your recovery..(I never had to do recovery when I was 22 but like I said , everyone is different). I really don't think you'll need the test but everyone is different. Just my personal experience from the same time (22) in my life. You will find that after you get older, even the smallest amount of steriods will shut you down hard....Take some time and read the threads..........Do your homework........it's your body.....do lots of research.....Live clean....Eat clean......And Grow......Most of all,.....Do not assume that everyone knows it all....We..(I) do not,....It is your body...your future.....your life....Respect that and learn as much as you can and make your own decisions........Peace.......Vegas

 

[Magick69]

I am male I need test simple as that ,dont stack nolva with deca or tren as it can make gyno flare up,if only doing a 7 weeker use some npp

Bro why npp?

 

[Bozwell]

Bro why npp?

7 weeks is a bit short to get the best out of deca imo I say npp would be a better choice for a 7 week nandrolone cycle ..but Id add some prop or proviron

 

[bmcadoo44]

I am male I need test simple as that ,dont stack nolva with deca or tren as it can make gyno flare up,if only doing a 7 weeker use some npp

i agree....

My first cycle was 5 weeks of deca 250 a week. I gained 25 pounds and kept 20. I did get deca dick. But at the time i was playing football so the gains, strength, speed was great even though my dick didnt work. I wouldnt make the same mistake twice. Run some test/eq and you would get the same gains but better rather than a deca only.


If your going to do a deca only cycle, consider yourself an idiot.

 

[Ulter]

Doing any cycle without test is a dangerous game. You may get away with deca only but when you don't the sides are ridiculous.
Put a bullet into the cylinder. Close it and spin. Put the barrel to your head and pull the trigger. Still alive?? Good, now if you're lucky and you can do that say, 3 more times, then you can post "I've pulled the trigger on a loaded gun at my head 4 times and it didn't kill me". But some day your luck runs out. Some day using nandrolone your luck will run out. It's stupid to recommend to anyone to play these two games.

 

[NickyE3]

Doing any cycle without test is a dangerous game. You may get away with deca only but when you don't the sides are ridiculous.
Put a bullet into the cylinder. Close it and spin. Put the barrel to your head and pull the trigger. Still alive?? Good, now if you're lucky and you can do that say, 3 more times, then you can post "I've pulled the trigger on a loaded gun at my head 4 times and it didn't kill me". But some day your luck runs out. Some day using nandrolone your luck will run out. It's stupid to recommend to anyone to play these two games.

good analogy there Ulter

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Doing any cycle without test is a dangerous game. You may get away with deca only but when you don't the sides are ridiculous.
Put a bullet into the cylinder. Close it and spin. Put the barrel to your head and pull the trigger. Still alive?? Good, now if you're lucky and you can do that say, 3 more times, then you can post "I've pulled the trigger on a loaded gun at my head 4 times and it didn't kill me". But some day your luck runs out. Some day using nandrolone your luck will run out. It's stupid to recommend to anyone to play these two games.

You've made me curious. What's the down side to a cycle without test. You make it sound like something irreversible could happen?
I know from experience that Test makes every cycle more potent for me, but I never considered not using it equal to Russian roulette.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

yeah go ahead run deca only...let us know how it works out...

 

[bmcadoo44]

oh and also, you will probably grow boobies.

 

[Magick69]

oh and also, you will probably grow boobies.

that will be handy bro!!!

 

[Harder N Leaner]

I did a deca only cycle about 1 1/2 years ago. Strength and muscle gains were good. I had a pct program in place and did it. I have not recovered 100% and I probably will not. I do not recommend it.

 

[Magick69]

I did a deca only cycle about 1 1/2 years ago. Strength and muscle gains were good. I had a pct program in place and did it. I have not recovered 100% and I probably will not. I do not recommend it.

that is a good contribution cheers mate; if i can ask which deca was NPP? for how long and at how many mg a week?

 

[Harder N Leaner]

that is a good contribution cheers mate; if i can ask which deca was NPP? for how long and at how many mg a week?

i did 300mg ew for 12 weeks. i used to be a horny bastard but it just aint the same. I dont know if it happens to all guys in thier 30s or if the deca is too blame.. I kinda think its the deca.

 

[Ulter]

It's the deca.

 

[Magick69]

i did 300mg ew for 12 weeks. i used to be a horny bastard but it just aint the same. I dont know if it happens to all guys in thier 30s or if the deca is too blame.. I kinda think its the deca.

not sure as well; i did lots of research about it and still do but usually people that do not have problems with libido etc... use npp and for short time; tapering the dose......

this actually is the best thread on the subject ever found and i searched different forums...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=356152&highlight=HCG+hairloss

 

[Ulter]

Do you understand that you're removing testosterone and replacing it with a progestin? Progestins are synthetic versions of the female hormone Progesterone. So you're in essence taking out a male hormone and inserting a female hormone. Like I said, if you can get away with it, good for you, but it's a bad idea.

 

[Magick69]

Do you understand that you're removing testosterone and replacing it with a progestin? Progestins are synthetic versions of the female hormone Progesterone. So you're in essence taking out a male hormone and inserting a female hormone. Like I said, if you can get away with it, good for you, but it's a bad idea.

Uter; i amnot doing anything yet; just reasearching options; by the way i read ur stuff about the deca-fina myth which was good; have u had expreince of people that have used deca only and fina and lost hair or it is a myth for u

 

[Ulter]

Can you rephrase that question? I don't understand it.

 

[Magick69]

Can you rephrase that question? I don't understand it.

sorry very shit in typing; do u know people that have used deca only and finasteride and start shedding becasue of this combination or it is a myth? this is another strange issue i am reading in different forums that there are people that have used this combination with no sides and if you check the poll here at elite the majority says that fina and deca are fine...

sometimes is very difficult to decide what to do; they said that my 30 mg of anavar would not produc any result and i am in the second week and have no hairlos; 2 kg more and 2 % of body fat less measured with a professional scale

one thing is sure it is idiotic to stop finasteride if you have hairloss becasue after a while you will shed as crazy so if a person stop fina and start deca will certainly lose his hair

 

[solidspine]

Regardless of your quote,

from experience you need

Testosterone as a base for any cycle, especially deca.


You can do deca 10 times and not get deca dick,

 

[Ulter]

Yes, there are couple of HRT docs that actually prescribe the two together.

 

[Magick69]

Yes, there are couple of HRT docs that actually prescribe the two together.

thanks for the reply; i believe it is a myth and actually i start to think that i will try it for my next cycle.....

 

[genman]

I did a deca only cycle about 1 1/2 years ago. Strength and muscle gains were good. I had a pct program in place and did it. I have not recovered 100% and I probably will not. I do not recommend it.

Read this and when you're done, read it again. This is more common than you think. I did several deca cycles in the past (with low test base) and had great results, libido was fine. Next identical deca cycle shut down my libido for almost six months and almost cost me my marriage. The point is, you can handle it for several cycles and then bam ! Ulter's analogy is dead on. I know every one handles these things differently, but why take the risk of not including a small (250mg) test base? pct won't change.

 

[Magick69]

Read this and when you're done, read it again. This is more common than you think. I did several deca cycles in the past (with low test base) and had great results, libido was fine. Next identical deca cycle shut down my libido for almost six months and almost cost me my marriage. The point is, you can handle it for several cycles and then bam ! Ulter's analogy is dead on. I know every one handles these things differently, but why take the risk of not including a small (250mg) test base? pct won't change.

cheers mate; i am thinking anyway there is lots of time before i will do a second cycle; the problem with test is my fucking hair! i virtually read almost millions of thread and everytime there was test involved the eprson was shedding.....

It is not the test the problem but to find the right dose, lenght and roid that with high protection will not make my hair shed. I have already found one safe Anavar (fingers crossed) i read about it; i risked it and look like is working.

Now I need an injectable and then i will try oral turinabol....

 

[genman]

cheers mate; i am thinking anyway there is lots of time before i will do a second cycle; the problem with test is my fucking hair! i virtually read almost millions of thread and everytime there was test involved the eprson was shedding.....

It is not the test the problem but to find the right dose, lenght and roid that with high protection will not make my hair shed. I have already found one safe Anavar (fingers crossed) i read about it; i risked it and look like is working.

Now I need an injectable and then i will try oral turinabol....

Since this is one of the few sides I DON'T have, I'll have to defer. I think that a base HRT dose (200-250mg) would be much easier on your hairline. Vets and those with this issue can help you out more.

 

[Magick69]

Since this is one of the few sides I DON'T have, I'll have to defer. I think that a base HRT dose (200-250mg) would be much easier on your hairline. Vets and those with this issue can help you out more.

although i do not know a lot about roids (hence i am here to learn) i know few things about hair and hairloss. I am 37 and i was diagnosed from a well known dermatologist with alopecia andro at 20 and i managed to keep all my hair till now using best dermatologists and most of all best products.

the test will always shed your hair if prone to hairloss because you also add big doses of exogenous dht via test so finasteride will be not enough. I will not use duta because has been not tested so docs do not know the long term effect on the body to be more simple is more safe to use roids than duta. It is suppressive of both enzymes and one of this is important for the brain.

US Docs such Klein, Proctor, and Lee who have always used new compounds if effective DO NOT PRESCRIBE duta; Lee was one of the first to prescribe fina when was at the same stage of duta now (sold and prescribed only for prostrate problems) and in his website said that did not feel confident to do the same with duta.

so my option will never include test, dianabol, proviron, anadrol, winstrol, primobolan etc.. i am studying equipose but i read that has caused shedding to few people so not sure i want to risk

however to come back to the topic i am not so crazy thinking of an only deca cycle; if you go to muscle talk uk (good forum) few bros there have done it with good result and if you will have ur dick not at its best for 7-8 weeks ok peace a price has to be paid to gain and keep hairs; there is always cialis

 

[genman]

although i do not know a lot about roids (hence i am here to learn) i know few things about hair and hairloss. I am 37 and i was diagnosed from a well known dermatologist with alopecia andro at 20 and i managed to keep all my hair till now using best dermatologists and most of all best products.

the test will always shed your hair if prone to hairloss because you also add big doses of exogenous dht via test so finasteride will be not enough. I will not use duta because has been not tested so docs do not know the long term effect on the body to be more simple is more safe to use roids than duta. It is suppressive of both enzymes and one of this is important for the brain.

US Docs such Klein, Proctor, and Lee who have always used new compounds if effective DO NOT PRESCRIBE duta; Lee was one of the first to prescribe fina when was at the same stage of duta now (sold and prescribed only for prostrate problems) and in his website said that did not feel confident to do the same with duta.

so my option will never include test, dianabol, proviron, anadrol, winstrol, primobolan etc.. i am studying equipose but i read that has caused shedding to few people so not sure i want to risk

however to come back to the topic i am not so crazy thinking of an only deca cycle; if you go to muscle talk uk (good forum) few bros there have done it with good result and if you will have ur dick not at its best for 7-8 weeks ok peace a price has to be paid to gain and keep hairs; there is always cialis

I understand. It is a double edged sword. But please understand that deca (in my case at least) killed my libido, not my ability to get hard. Cialis won't give you your libido back. I wish it was only 7-8 weeks for me, more like five months. No level of pct or bridging helped. I suppose guys pull it off all the time, but I am not willing to play russian roulette with my sex drive. I would rather try a tren cycle than a deca cycle in this instance.

Let us know what you decide. It's a subject that many of us will have to deal with.

 

[Mac173]

cheers mate; i am thinking anyway there is lots of time before i will do a second cycle; the problem with test is my fucking hair! i virtually read almost millions of thread and everytime there was test involved the eprson was shedding.....

It is not the test the problem but to find the right dose, lenght and roid that with high protection will not make my hair shed. I have already found one safe Anavar (fingers crossed) i read about it; i risked it and look like is working.

Now I need an injectable and then i will try oral turinabol....

Try a low dose of test 250-500 along w/ finasteride and you should be fine. I don't shed much at all but I keep my test dose to 500 along w/ 2.5mg ed finasteride. Stop worrying so much and just give it a try and if you feel like you're shedding too much then just stop the cycle and stick w/ your var only cycle.