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lartinos
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Fuck deca and just run tren. Tren shits on deca in everyway in terms of results. The shutdown between the two is very similar though.
todoveritas
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You will find the vote split between lovers and haters. IMHO, aside from the long supression, one of the safest steroids overall and undoubtedly the best anabolic mass builder there is. (As opposed to an androgen). It is easy on the hair, you get less acne and my experience has been that deca-dick is no where near as prevalent as people would have you believe. Progestin induced gyno is less than that seen with Trenbelone. It definitely has my vote as a staple for building mass.
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lartinos
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i disagree with the gyno statement, and also that deca is better for mass. Tren with a longer ester than acetate is better than deca for gaining mass. (bloat) whatevertodoveritas said:
todoveritas
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lartinos said:
Friend, do you know the difference between an anabolic and an androgen? Re-read my post.
Deca's great but for fatloss you'd be better off with tren, i wouldn't run deca/sus/dbol for bf loss.
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lartinos
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Yes, I do dummy. So your argument is that deca is more anabolic than tren? Dude.......your post doesn't even make any sense, lol. For you to question my knowledge of AAS is absurd buddy. You must have alot of posts on the chat board or something because no-one even knows who you are. Which would explain your ignorance in speaking to me like this.todoveritas said:
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lartinos
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Not smart of him to call me out when he made a vague statement. I don't try to take on guys who have more years, knowledge, and experience than myself.......I just feel like others should think the same way. He spoke out of ignorance in attacking me. Had spent more time here he'd know I've been here awhile. Telling me to re-read his vague post and then question me as to what the difference between anabolic and androgenic means made him look like a fool. All he had to say was "in my opinion........ add in his opinion here".Mac173 said:
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lartinos
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You seem like one of the smarter new guys here. I have no problem with you, please explain your buddies post and to where I went atray.Mac173 said:
todoveritas
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Lartinos-Dude, I in no way was attacking you. I prefaced my post with IMHO. And no, you don't know me any more than I know you. And yes, there is a difference of opinion which I will try to explain:
Anabolic, in its purest sense, refers specifically to muscle building solely by increasing protein synthesis, which on a molecular level, refers to ribosomal transcription and translation. This differs from an androgen which binds to specific receptors responsbile for myogenesis, a more general growth stimulus through increased signal transduction, whereby specific muscle enzymes modify numerous other pathways besides protein synthesis. The receptor is a 120-kDa cytosolic protein encoded on the X chromosome and has been clearly identified. In short, anabolics build muscle, androgens build strength. (Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jul;285(1):E16-24. Epub 2003 Mar 11)
Androgens are always more powerful than anabolics, although there is always varying overlap. The relatively pure anabolics include: D3ca, anavar, Winstrol - stanozolol. Of the relatively pure anabolics, D3ca is the strongest.
Your comments indicate that you have an advanced knowledge of steroids. I do not doubt that. Perhaps you would appreciate the more in-depth description of the differences in the below article:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/jcem;86/11/5108
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jul;285(1):E16-24. Epub 2003 Mar 11.
Again, I apologize if you were offended, it was not my intent. BTW, I have considerable experience: 20+ years of BB, more than a few titles, am currently in training for a NQ, and have multiple academic science degrees. So despite my relatively low number of posts, I would consider myself more than qualified to comment on most subjects. Truce?
Anabolic, in its purest sense, refers specifically to muscle building solely by increasing protein synthesis, which on a molecular level, refers to ribosomal transcription and translation. This differs from an androgen which binds to specific receptors responsbile for myogenesis, a more general growth stimulus through increased signal transduction, whereby specific muscle enzymes modify numerous other pathways besides protein synthesis. The receptor is a 120-kDa cytosolic protein encoded on the X chromosome and has been clearly identified. In short, anabolics build muscle, androgens build strength. (Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jul;285(1):E16-24. Epub 2003 Mar 11)
Androgens are always more powerful than anabolics, although there is always varying overlap. The relatively pure anabolics include: D3ca, anavar, Winstrol - stanozolol. Of the relatively pure anabolics, D3ca is the strongest.
Your comments indicate that you have an advanced knowledge of steroids. I do not doubt that. Perhaps you would appreciate the more in-depth description of the differences in the below article:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/jcem;86/11/5108
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jul;285(1):E16-24. Epub 2003 Mar 11.
Again, I apologize if you were offended, it was not my intent. BTW, I have considerable experience: 20+ years of BB, more than a few titles, am currently in training for a NQ, and have multiple academic science degrees. So despite my relatively low number of posts, I would consider myself more than qualified to comment on most subjects. Truce?
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Cauliflower Ear
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for bulking...test deca dbol is the ultimate...fuckin throw in some slin and gh and your gonna be huge....haha
i personally have no need for deca but it has a huge place in BBing
i personally have no need for deca but it has a huge place in BBing
needtogetaas
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I love deca....love love love love deca...for some its the base for all there cycles when it works and they have no sex sides its the best there is...for the rest there shit out out of luck...every one should try it once though.tugger said:
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lartinos
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My point was simply that your argument was vague, steroids have BOTH an anabolic and androgenic effect. Deka is highly anabolic and low on the androgenic scale, while trenn is BOTH highly anabolic and highly androgenic. The way you put up your argument was as if you were comparing deka and mazteron. Everyone has their own bio-chemical individuality so deka (nandralone) could gain more muscle for some people. It is just my opinion that trenn is better suited for the average person for gains. I just don't like being called out like that bro........no hard feelings. I look forward to reading your posts.todoveritas said:
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lartinos
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Here are a couple profiles on these two drugs.
Trenbolone Acetate
The drug trenbolone acetate is, without a doubt, the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid used by edit.com members to gain muscle. However the full properties of the drug are not always fully understood. This profile will separate fact from fiction and help steroid.com members decide if trenbolone is right for them.
Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).
Trenbolone also has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4). This is important, because the stronger a steroid binds to the androgen receptor the better that steroid works at activating A.R dependant mechanisms of muscle growth. There is also strong supporting evidence that compounds which bind very tightly to the androgen receptor also aid in fat loss. Think as the receptors as locks and androgens as different keys, with some keys (androgens) opening (binding) the locks (receptors) much better than others. This is not to say that AR-binding is the final word on a steroid´s effectiveness. Anadrol doesn´t have any measurable binding to the AR& and we all know how potent Anadrol is for mass-building.
Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, trenbolone´s incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).
Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolone´s androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.
Trenbolone promotes red blood cell production and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment, significantly improving recovery (13). Like almost all steroids, trenbolones effects are dose dependant with higher dosages having the greatest effects on body composition and strength. Mental changes are a notorious side effect of trenbolone use(15), androgens increase chemicals in the brain that promote aggressive behavior(16), which can be beneficial for some athletes wanting to improve speed and power.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.
The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended. The acetate ester provides a rapid and high concentration of the hormone which is beneficial to those seeking quick gains, coupled with a rapid clearing time the acetate ester can be discontinued on the onset of adverse side effects.
Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I´m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle trenbolone is the best choice you have; trenbolones powerful effect on nutrient shuttling allows a user to restrict calories and remain in a state of positive nitrogen balance (remember what that means?). The cortisol reducing effect and binding to the glucocorticoid receptor will greatly reduce the catabolic effects of harsh dieting and excessive amounts of cardio& not to mention that trenbolone itself may burn fat (due to it´s strong AR-binding). A good choice to stack with tren in a cutting cycle is Winstrol. Winstrol has a low binding affinity to the AR and thus will act in your body in vastly different ways than the Tren (i.e. in non-receptor mediated action). In addition, Winstrol is a DHT-based drug and Tren is a 19-nor& throw in some Testosterone (prop), and you´ll have a cutting cycle which takes advantage of all 3 major families of Anabolic Steroids (Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT), as well as vastly different AR-binding affinities and mechanisms of action.
Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.
Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many.
As of now the main source of trenbolone is from implants for cattle being converted into an injectable or transdermal compound, from powder, and of course Underground Labs. "Home brewing" powder or cattle implants seems to be the preferred method of obtaining injectable trenbolone acetate, because the user would have much more control over the potency and sterility of the drug. Trenbolone is much more expensive than other anabolic steroids ranging from 15 U.S dollars per gram of powder or 150 U.S for a single 10 ml bottle. The cost of trenbolone should not matter, it is worth every penny.
Trenbolone Acetate Profile
(17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
(Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
Formula: C20 H24 O3
Molecular Weight: 312.4078
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Melting Point (ester):16.6C
Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500
References:
Br J Nutr. 1978 Nov;40(3):563-72.
J Cell Physiol. 2004 Nov;201(2):181-9.
Endocrinology. 1989 May;124(5):2110-7.
Toxicol Sci. 2002 Dec;70(2):202-11.15
J Anim Sci. 1994 Feb;72(2):515-22.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1990 Sep;68(9):2682-9.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1992 Nov;70(11):3381-90.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
J Appl. Physiol.94 1153-61 2003
J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med. 2001 Aug; 48(6):343-52
Toxicol Sci. 2002 Dec;70(2):202-11.15
Steroid.com forums.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2003 Jan; 35(1):32-8
Cancer Res 1978 Nov; 38(11 Pt 2):4186-98
APMIS. 2000 Dec;108(12):838-46.
Curr Med Res Opin. 2001;16(4):276-84
2003 drug handbook.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1988 Mar; 29(3):489-93.
J Anim Sci. 1997 May;75(5):1256-65.
Trenbolone Acetate
The drug trenbolone acetate is, without a doubt, the most powerful injectable anabolic steroid used by edit.com members to gain muscle. However the full properties of the drug are not always fully understood. This profile will separate fact from fiction and help steroid.com members decide if trenbolone is right for them.
Trenbolone is similar to the highly popular steroid nandrolone, in that they are both 19-nor steroids, meaning that a testosterone molecule has been altered at the 19th position to give us a new compound. Unlike nandrolone however trenbolone is an excellent mass and hardening drug with the majority of gains being muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) It has an unbelievable anabolic (muscle building) score of 500. When you compare that to testosterone, which itself is a powerful mass builder, and has an anabolic score of 100 you can begin to fathom the muscle building potential of trenbolone. What makes trenbolone so anabolic? Numerous factors come into play. Trenbolone greatly increases the level of the extremely anabolic hormone IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2). And, it´s worth noting that not only does it increase the levels of IGF-1 in muscle over two fold, it also causes muscle satellite cells (cells that repair damaged muscle) to be more sensitive to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3). The amount of DNA per muscle cell may also be significantly increased (3).
Trenbolone also has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4). This is important, because the stronger a steroid binds to the androgen receptor the better that steroid works at activating A.R dependant mechanisms of muscle growth. There is also strong supporting evidence that compounds which bind very tightly to the androgen receptor also aid in fat loss. Think as the receptors as locks and androgens as different keys, with some keys (androgens) opening (binding) the locks (receptors) much better than others. This is not to say that AR-binding is the final word on a steroid´s effectiveness. Anadrol doesn´t have any measurable binding to the AR& and we all know how potent Anadrol is for mass-building.
Trenbolone increases nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). This is of note because nitrogen retention is a strong indicator of how anabolic a substance is. However, trenbolone´s incredible mass building effects do not end there. Trenbolone has the ability to bind with the receptors of the anti-anabolic (muscle destroying) glucocorticoid hormones (6). This may also has the effect of inhibiting the catabolic (muscle destroying) hormone cortisol (7).
Yet another amazing trait of trenbolone that must be noted is its ability to improve feed efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8). To help you understand what this means for you, feed efficiency is a measurement of how much of an animals diet is converted into meat, and the more food it takes to produce this meat, the lower the efficiency. Conversely, the less food it takes to produce meat the, higher the efficiency& well you get the idea. Animals given trenbolone gained high quality weight without having their diet adjusted, thus improving feed efficiency. Finding new compounds which can improve feed efficiency is a billion dollar industry, and has spawned many nutritional advances in the bodybuilding world over the last few decades (CLA, Whey Protein, and HMB are compounds which spring to mind as having first been introduced by the livestock industry). What does this translate to for the hard training athlete? The food you eat will be better utilized for building lean muscle, and vitamins and minerals are also better absorbed which may keep you healthier during cycle.
Trenbolone is also a highly androgenic hormone, when compared with testosterone, which has an androgenic ratio of 100; trenbolone´s androgenic ratio is an astonishing 500. Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus reducing water and under the skin. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a fat loss agent. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone.
Trenbolone promotes red blood cell production and increases the rate of glycogen replenishment, significantly improving recovery (13). Like almost all steroids, trenbolones effects are dose dependant with higher dosages having the greatest effects on body composition and strength. Mental changes are a notorious side effect of trenbolone use(15), androgens increase chemicals in the brain that promote aggressive behavior(16), which can be beneficial for some athletes wanting to improve speed and power.
Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sensitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone.
The acetate ester is a very short-chain ester attached to the trenbolone molecule. It has an active life of 2-3 days but to keep blood levels of trenbolone elevated and steady, daily injections are often recommended. The acetate ester provides a rapid and high concentration of the hormone which is beneficial to those seeking quick gains, coupled with a rapid clearing time the acetate ester can be discontinued on the onset of adverse side effects.
Now that the properties of trenbolone acetate have been explained we can better understand how to use it in order to maximize its advantages. Evidence suggests that trenbolone when stacked with estrogen promotes more weight gain that trenbolone alone(22), now I´m not telling you to go pop some birth control with your trenbolone but the addition of aromatizing orals such as dianabol and a long estered testosterone such as cypionate or enanthate would produce great gains in a bulking cycle. For a cutting cycle trenbolone is the best choice you have; trenbolones powerful effect on nutrient shuttling allows a user to restrict calories and remain in a state of positive nitrogen balance (remember what that means?). The cortisol reducing effect and binding to the glucocorticoid receptor will greatly reduce the catabolic effects of harsh dieting and excessive amounts of cardio& not to mention that trenbolone itself may burn fat (due to it´s strong AR-binding). A good choice to stack with tren in a cutting cycle is Winstrol. Winstrol has a low binding affinity to the AR and thus will act in your body in vastly different ways than the Tren (i.e. in non-receptor mediated action). In addition, Winstrol is a DHT-based drug and Tren is a 19-nor& throw in some Testosterone (prop), and you´ll have a cutting cycle which takes advantage of all 3 major families of Anabolic Steroids (Testosterone, 19-nor, and DHT), as well as vastly different AR-binding affinities and mechanisms of action.
Ironically, even though Tren is an excellent contest prep drug, it lowers your thyroid level(23), and this raises prolactin. I recommend taking T3 (25mcgs/day) along with your Tren to avoid elevating your prolactin too high via this route.
Also, this drug is a poor choice for athletes who rely on cardiovascular fitness to play a sport. Tren, anecdotally at least, reduces many athletes ability to sustain high levels of endurance. Unfortunately, this makes Tren a poor choice for many.
As of now the main source of trenbolone is from implants for cattle being converted into an injectable or transdermal compound, from powder, and of course Underground Labs. "Home brewing" powder or cattle implants seems to be the preferred method of obtaining injectable trenbolone acetate, because the user would have much more control over the potency and sterility of the drug. Trenbolone is much more expensive than other anabolic steroids ranging from 15 U.S dollars per gram of powder or 150 U.S for a single 10 ml bottle. The cost of trenbolone should not matter, it is worth every penny.
Trenbolone Acetate Profile
(17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)
(Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
Formula: C20 H24 O3
Molecular Weight: 312.4078
Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
Melting Point (base): 183-186C
Melting Point (ester):16.6C
Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 2-3 days
Detection Time: 5 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500
References:
Br J Nutr. 1978 Nov;40(3):563-72.
J Cell Physiol. 2004 Nov;201(2):181-9.
Endocrinology. 1989 May;124(5):2110-7.
Toxicol Sci. 2002 Dec;70(2):202-11.15
J Anim Sci. 1994 Feb;72(2):515-22.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1990 Sep;68(9):2682-9.
APMIS. 2001 Jan;109(1):1-8.
J Anim Sci. 1992 Nov;70(11):3381-90.
Am J Physiol. 1998 Jun;274(6 Pt 1):C1645-52.
Biochim Biophys Acta. 1995 May 11;1244(1):117-20.
J Appl. Physiol.94 1153-61 2003
J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med. 2001 Aug; 48(6):343-52
Toxicol Sci. 2002 Dec;70(2):202-11.15
Steroid.com forums.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2003 Jan; 35(1):32-8
Cancer Res 1978 Nov; 38(11 Pt 2):4186-98
APMIS. 2000 Dec;108(12):838-46.
Curr Med Res Opin. 2001;16(4):276-84
2003 drug handbook.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1988 Mar; 29(3):489-93.
J Anim Sci. 1997 May;75(5):1256-65.
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lartinos
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Deca is the common name for the decanoate ester of nandrolone, stemming from the brand name Deca-Durabolin under which the Organon Company originally marketed nandrolone. World Wide "Deca" is one of the most widely used anabolic steroids due in large part to its effectiveness and its ready availability on the black market. Its popularity is increased due to the fact that it exhibits many unique and favorable properties. Structurally nandrolone is very similar to testosterone, although it lacks a carbon atom at the 19th position (more commonly known as 19-nortestosterone). The resulting structure is a steroid that exhibits much weaker androgenic properties than testosterone. This gives it a number of very distinct features. First of all it makes nandrolone a notably weaker agonist of the androgen receptor. That alone causes quite a reduction in the risk of androgenic side effects. This is because it is the only steroid that is affected by the 5-alpha-reductase (5AR) enzyme in a way that makes it even less androgenic. Unlike testosterone, which forms DHT (dihydrotestosterone) at the 5AR enzyme, a hormone 3-4 times as potent as an androgen receptor stimulator, nandrolone forms DHN (dihydronandrolone) a hormone that is even less suited than the already mild parent hormone for agonizing the androgen receptor. Those two features combined make nandrolone a very safe bet for people at risk for prostate hypertrophy, acne and aggravated male pattern hair loss. At the same time it is estimated that nandrolone is 2.4 times as anabolic as testosterone, on a gram for gram basis.
But due to the lack of immediate anabolic activity nandrolone is rarely used alone. Its the most known and sought after product for use as a base steroid, to use in conjunction with a more androgenic specimen to enhance the results without increasing androgenic side-effects to a serious degree.
Nandrolone also possesses an extremely lower tendency for estrogen conversion - consequently estrogen related side effects are a far less of a concern. At the same time water retention should not be an overly large concern. This effect can occur however, but is most often related to higher dosages. The addition of Proviron and/or Nolvadex should prove sufficient enough to significantly reduce any occurrence. Clearly Deca is a very safe choice among steroids. Actually, many consider it to be the best overall steroid for a man to use when weighing the side effects and results. It should also be noted that in HIV studies, Deca has been shown not only to be effective at safely bringing up the lean body weight of patient, but also to be beneficial to the immune system.
The ways in which nandrolone exerts its anabolic effects are two-fold. First of all it's a good mediator for nitrogen retention. When nitrogen retention is high, in essence it means that the cells are taking up more nitrogen than they are releasing. Why is this a good thing? Well every amino acid has what is known as an amino-group, which contains nitrogen. When nitrogen is retained it means there is a high concentration of amino acids in a cell, which in turn positively affects the rate of protein synthesis. Since every tissue in the body is made from protein, including muscle, this means that muscle hypertrophy is facilitated. A second factor is through estrogen. While nandrolone's rate of aromatization is considerably smaller than that of testosterone, it does convert to a particularly powerful form of estrogen. This has been noted to increase glycogen storage, growth hormone release and upgrade the androgen receptor in some tissues.
Deca is not known as a very "fast" builder. The muscle building effect of this drug is quite noticeable, but not dramatic. The slow onset and mild properties of this steroid therefore make it more suited for cycles with a longer duration. In general one can expect to gain muscle weight at about half the rate of that with an equal amount of testosterone. A cycle lasting eight to twelve weeks seems to make the most sense, expecting to elicit a slow, even gain of quality mass. Although active in the body for much longer, Deca is usually injected once per week. If looking to be specific, it is believed that Deca will exhibit its optimal effect (best gain/side effect ratio) at around 2 mg per pound of bodyweight/weekly. Deca is also a popular steroid among female bodybuilders. They take a much lower dosage on average than men of course, usually around 50 mg weekly. Although only slightly androgenic, women are occasionally confronted with virilization symptoms when taking this compound.
The major drawback for competitive/drug testing purposes is that in many cases nandrolone metabolites will be detectable in a drug screen for up to a year (or more) after use. This is clearly due to the form of administration. Esterified compounds have a high affinity to stay stored in fatty tissues. While we can accurately estimate the time frame it will take for a given dose to enter circulation from an injection site, we cannot know for sure that 100% of the steroid will have been metabolized at any given point. Small amounts may indeed be stubborn in leaving fatty tissue, particularly after heavy, longer-term use. Some quantity of nandrolone decanoate may therefore be left to sporadically enter into the blood stream many months after use. This process may be further aggravated when dieting for a show, a time when body fat sores are being actively depleted (possibly freeing more steroid). This has no doubt been the cause for many unexpected positives on a drug screen. The fact that nandrolone has been isolated as the "hands-off' injectable for the drug tested athlete is most likely due to its popularity (and therefore common appearance on drug screens).
The drug is moderately effective at doses of 400 mg/week though they range from 200-600 mg. per week for men. The long half-life of Deca-Durabolin makes it unsuited to short alternating cycles, but suitable for more traditional cycles, with a built-in self-tapering effect in the weeks following the last injection.
But due to the lack of immediate anabolic activity nandrolone is rarely used alone. Its the most known and sought after product for use as a base steroid, to use in conjunction with a more androgenic specimen to enhance the results without increasing androgenic side-effects to a serious degree.
Nandrolone also possesses an extremely lower tendency for estrogen conversion - consequently estrogen related side effects are a far less of a concern. At the same time water retention should not be an overly large concern. This effect can occur however, but is most often related to higher dosages. The addition of Proviron and/or Nolvadex should prove sufficient enough to significantly reduce any occurrence. Clearly Deca is a very safe choice among steroids. Actually, many consider it to be the best overall steroid for a man to use when weighing the side effects and results. It should also be noted that in HIV studies, Deca has been shown not only to be effective at safely bringing up the lean body weight of patient, but also to be beneficial to the immune system.
The ways in which nandrolone exerts its anabolic effects are two-fold. First of all it's a good mediator for nitrogen retention. When nitrogen retention is high, in essence it means that the cells are taking up more nitrogen than they are releasing. Why is this a good thing? Well every amino acid has what is known as an amino-group, which contains nitrogen. When nitrogen is retained it means there is a high concentration of amino acids in a cell, which in turn positively affects the rate of protein synthesis. Since every tissue in the body is made from protein, including muscle, this means that muscle hypertrophy is facilitated. A second factor is through estrogen. While nandrolone's rate of aromatization is considerably smaller than that of testosterone, it does convert to a particularly powerful form of estrogen. This has been noted to increase glycogen storage, growth hormone release and upgrade the androgen receptor in some tissues.
Deca is not known as a very "fast" builder. The muscle building effect of this drug is quite noticeable, but not dramatic. The slow onset and mild properties of this steroid therefore make it more suited for cycles with a longer duration. In general one can expect to gain muscle weight at about half the rate of that with an equal amount of testosterone. A cycle lasting eight to twelve weeks seems to make the most sense, expecting to elicit a slow, even gain of quality mass. Although active in the body for much longer, Deca is usually injected once per week. If looking to be specific, it is believed that Deca will exhibit its optimal effect (best gain/side effect ratio) at around 2 mg per pound of bodyweight/weekly. Deca is also a popular steroid among female bodybuilders. They take a much lower dosage on average than men of course, usually around 50 mg weekly. Although only slightly androgenic, women are occasionally confronted with virilization symptoms when taking this compound.
The major drawback for competitive/drug testing purposes is that in many cases nandrolone metabolites will be detectable in a drug screen for up to a year (or more) after use. This is clearly due to the form of administration. Esterified compounds have a high affinity to stay stored in fatty tissues. While we can accurately estimate the time frame it will take for a given dose to enter circulation from an injection site, we cannot know for sure that 100% of the steroid will have been metabolized at any given point. Small amounts may indeed be stubborn in leaving fatty tissue, particularly after heavy, longer-term use. Some quantity of nandrolone decanoate may therefore be left to sporadically enter into the blood stream many months after use. This process may be further aggravated when dieting for a show, a time when body fat sores are being actively depleted (possibly freeing more steroid). This has no doubt been the cause for many unexpected positives on a drug screen. The fact that nandrolone has been isolated as the "hands-off' injectable for the drug tested athlete is most likely due to its popularity (and therefore common appearance on drug screens).
The drug is moderately effective at doses of 400 mg/week though they range from 200-600 mg. per week for men. The long half-life of Deca-Durabolin makes it unsuited to short alternating cycles, but suitable for more traditional cycles, with a built-in self-tapering effect in the weeks following the last injection.
Deca Durabolin is a great multi purpose steroid, meaning, i've seen many people use it for bulking and for precontest prep with much success. I do favor keeping the dosage to 600mg/week and under to control libido issues. If sexual sides are of major concern, its nothing a little cialis/viagra can't handle for me. Also, i don't find the UG's can compare to the Organon brand which is much more costly. However, i take what i can get.
I hadn't even thought of that. I wasn't that pissed by the comment. I can handle arrogance, just not racism, anti-semitism, etc. 
MichaelMacGyver
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Deca is a good steriod and is considered a staple in a basic mass building steroid cycle. I think you will like it, run it with test. There is only one way for you to find out how your body will react to it. Go for it.
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lartinos
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Never said I was kingshit...........I'm not some douchebag who proclaims to be a bodybuildingkingpin either you piece of shit. I didn't start with you either fuckface so go into another thread and bother someone else.bbkingpin said:
