Deca for bad knees.

[Workout King]

So i'm contemplating my first cycle,well first cycle if you don't count M1T . And pretty much the only thing I want to gain from it is the use of my legs again, I'm 6'2" 215-220lbs 6-8%bf and almost all my strength is upper body beacuse of really bad knee problems. Anyway, after almost colapsing during my most recent set of squats(with a whole 185lbs on the bar! see, STRONG! ) I decided its time to really do something about it. I've been reading up on everything for several years now and believe that Deca would be the best/only choice for me.

So, IDEALLY I would like to run just a small dose of NPP each week but I can't get NPP so i'd have to do deca. I've read that the therauputic dose for deca is 100-300mg a week, will this be enough to help with my knee problems? or will I need more, and yeah if I do end up going deca I'm sure I'll be stacking it with test also. I guess I'm just between the lines of an absolute minimum cycle to fix my knees and a full blown cycle to both work my knees and blow myself up another 20lbs Or am I completely overestimating the ability of deca to rebuild the tendons/ligaments in my knees altogether?

 

[muscleup]

Ok I fucking hate deca........I HATE THE SHIT.......But it does work great for joint pain...I would not run it without a test base{Cyp or enanthate}

This is what I would do if I did not HATE deca

Test@ 250-500mgs per week 1-12
Deca@400mgs per week 1-12

 

[nishnish]

the optimum dose for deca is 2mg per pound of bodyweight. it will help out your joints because it stores a good deal of water in them. stacking it with test will increase this effect, and water retention as a whole.

as far as "fixing" your kness goes... there is no medical evidence to show that deca cures joint ailments, but there is loads of anecdotal evidence form athletes who claim that deca permanently fixed certain joint problems.

i'm on the fence on this one- i defintely think that deca helps ease the pain of troubled joints while "on", but personally i can say that my left elbow, which has a pretty bad case of tendonitis, will never heal completely no matter how much deca i take.

if you have severe knee problems, i wouldn't count on the self administration of deca to cure them. i would see a specialist if you really want to see about getting them sorted.

my 2p

 

[FknKnuckleHd]

I love deca.....for me is the bread and butter. I swear by it!

 

[Workout King]

I've read that deca is prescribed for joint injuries/tears etc because its great for rebuilding tendons/ligaments? or is it just for lubing up the joints? I was really wanting to do a fairly short cycle 6weeks ish would be ideal, i know the real benefits of a deca/test cycle wouldn't be realized until later into it, but how long for the joints to get better, esp since its my main goal by far and away.

 

[muscleup]

Deca will not heal your joints.....It works temporary from the build up of synovial fluid in the joints and tissue.

Also 6 weeks of deca will not do shit for you.......It usually does not even get kicked in good until week 5.

 

[nishnish]

i love deca too; i get absloutely no sides from it while getting fantastic strength and lean muscle gains. and it DOES sort out my joints no doubt.

a lot of people say you need to run deca for 10 weeks +, but i think 8 weeks is plenty, it's going to stay in your system for quite a while after the last shot anyways.

i wish i could find a doctor to prescribe deca for joint pain!!!! lol please, if you know of one, hook it up!

anyways, if you have "severe" knee problems, once again, i wouldn't count on deca for solving them. what will most likely happen is this- you will get stronger from the deca/test, from both the anabolic action and the lubrication of your joints, which will make you tink that your knees are "healed". you will start using more weight for more reps, all the while stressing the joints perhaps far past the point of what they are able to manage. of course you won't be able to feel this until you really injure yourself.

if you're really concerned, go see a specialist.

 

[Workout King]

I've been to specialists before and they always like to give me a bunch of stretching exercises to do. I've been doing them for the past 4 or 5 years and have been on glucosamine/msm for the past year or so. All of that really helps, but once I start getting back into lifting legs again I can go fine for a few weeks and then it starts getting pretty bad. At this point I'm tryng to find anything else that would work. I've also had the option of having surgery done, albeit at back when I first went to a sports medicine doctor, but I'm just very against having myself cut open for some odd reason

 

[Güclü_oglan]

hey bro this might be useless for you but it could be worth to hear, i had some really bad problems with my knees, i solved it simply by putting my feet higher up on the leg press and i used small weightplates under my toes when i squatted, and i eventually started doing lounges instead of squats wich gave me my knees back permenantly never had a problem since, might sound too good to be true but this is how i got rid of it

deca will most likely make the pain subside pretty well temporarily (but on the other hand deca works great for longer cycles )

 

[thelion2005]

the optimum dose for deca is 2mg per pound of bodyweight. it will help out your joints because it stores a good deal of water in them. stacking it with test will increase this effect, and water retention as a whole.

as far as "fixing" your kness goes... there is no medical evidence to show that deca cures joint ailments, but there is loads of anecdotal evidence form athletes who claim that deca permanently fixed certain joint problems.

i'm on the fence on this one- i defintely think that deca helps ease the pain of troubled joints while "on", but personally i can say that my left elbow, which has a pretty bad case of tendonitis, will never heal completely no matter how much deca i take.

if you have severe knee problems, i wouldn't count on the self administration of deca to cure them. i would see a specialist if you really want to see about getting them sorted.

my 2p

Amen, Amen!

 

[missionpossible]

Have you looked into Adequan? This product is only approved for vet use in the USA but it is used in Europe under the name Arteparon. This is one of the few products that will actually repair the damaged tissue associated with joint injuries.

I havent heard anything about running it togeather with Deca, it maybe advantageous to run both?

 

[Workout King]

Have you looked into Adequan? This product is only approved for vet use in the USA but it is used in Europe under the name Arteparon. This is one of the few products that will actually repair the damaged tissue associated with joint injuries.

I've never even heard of it, any idea where I might find some info on it? and thanks everyone for the replies!!!

 

[missionpossible]

Run a search on this board on it and try a google search, there is quite a bit of information on it out there. Some people have reported that all of their symptoms have disappeared completly with one course of this product ( one course is I believe 1 injection a week for 5 or 6 weeks). Good luck and let everyone know how it all works out for you.

 

[glennds]

as far as "fixing" your kness goes... there is no medical evidence to show that deca cures joint ailments, but there is loads of anecdotal evidence form athletes who claim that deca permanently fixed certain joint problems.

when i first read this post i thought this guy can't be serious. probably just naive.

unfortunately there is NO pill or injectable that is gonna cure whatever is wrong with your knees. if injury related, maybe time, or surgery.

 

[Growth&Courage]

I deliberately chose deca for its lubicrating properties on my knees and it worked wonders. It gave me incredible strength also. As for the permanency, for me it made the knee pain dissipated until I can barely felt the pain for a long time, long enough to have me paid less attention to my knees anyway. However, that doesn't mean I still don't get the heavy squat knee pain every once in a while. Anytime I go over 330lbs squats it hurts.

 

[Workout King]

Thanks guys for all the info, I guess I was naive on the deca, unfortunetly. I was just mainly hoping that the pain relief was more permanent, which I was just assuming/hoping it was. Oh well, time to start working on something else... might have to do something with the pounds of fina we have siting around here