Deca - Best way to increase your own test

[LoneTree]

Deca-Durabolin has low androgenic activity.
But it decreases endogenous testosterone production.
All the Deca experts:
Help us the newbies.
What is the best way to keep your own test production up?
What meds and what schedule?
Help would be highly appreciated.

 

[The Terminator]

Deca-Durabolin has low androgenic activity.
But it decreases endogenous testosterone production.
All the Deca experts:
Help us the newbies.
What is the best way to keep your own test production up?
What meds and what schedule?
Help would be highly appreciated.

By NOT using Deca lol...(or ANY exogenous hormone) you will keep NATURAL levels of Test production higher

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i wouldnt run deca without test..unless of course you dont mind not getting hard then you can drop the test..

 

[Stryker1992]

Deca-Durabolin has low androgenic activity.
But it decreases endogenous testosterone production.
All the Deca experts:
Help us the newbies.
What is the best way to keep your own test production up?
What meds and what schedule?
Help would be highly appreciated.

Bro, you are off track here. HCG will help keep your test up but even too much of that will crash you natural levels.

Deca can cause major natural test suppression.

 

[yomama]

Does anyone know how deca is responsible for increasing prolactin levels, which shut down test even more.

 

[Goldprospector]

[/QUOTE]Bro, you are off track here. HCG will help keep your test up but even too much of that will crash you natural levels.

I think I am going to have to dis agree, I have never seen or read anything saying that HCG keep your test levels up...I have read wheree it is supressive to your natty test levels...The only thing that HCG is for is to bring your nads back up to full size after atrophy, or to keep them from getting atrophied in the first place. But full size nuts does not mean that you are producing higher levels of test.

 

[wellbilt]

i would take test with deca

 

[Stryker1992]

Bro, you are off track here. HCG will help keep your test up but even too much of that will crash you natural levels.

I think I am going to have to dis agree, I have never seen or read anything saying that HCG keep your test levels up...I have read wheree it is supressive to your natty test levels...The only thing that HCG is for is to bring your nads back up to full size after atrophy, or to keep them from getting atrophied in the first place. But full size nuts does not mean that you are producing higher levels of test.

bro you can disagree but i am right

 

[lawnsaver]

Bro, you are off track here. HCG will help keep your test up but even too much of that will crash you natural levels.


bro you can disagree but i am right

Bro...no flame, but your not right.

HCG produces a synthetic LH signal that stimulates the testicles to grow to to stay at their current size. The key word is synthetic...this means that although you will see a brief elevation of test, it is only temporary and the elevation will suppress the natural test level

There is no drug that will allow you to take gear and keep natural levels flowing.

 

[The Shadow]

deca increases progesterone

 

[pursuit]

Heres a question:

Since Deca has low androgenic activity as mentioned, is it possible that with a very high dose of it there will be enough androgenicity to keep the sex drive intact and prevent deca dick? (and so test will not be needed)

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Heres a question:

Since Deca has low androgenic activity as mentioned, is it possible that with a very high dose of it there will be enough androgenicity to keep the sex drive intact and prevent deca dick? (and so test will not be needed)

some people do not get deca dick but more often people do.. the only way to know for sure is to run deca for yourself and see how you react..most likely youll come to the conclusion you need test

 

[Dial_tone]

Earlier in the year I did 600mg Deca only for 12 weeks for research purposes. I was swingin a Louisville Slugger all the way thru. It wasn't until post cycle that the ability to get erections decreased. It was probably 10-11 weeks before I really felt my usual easily exciteable self. I would definitely recommend even a small dose of test.

 

[LVTitan]

Bro, you are off track here. HCG will help keep your test up but even too much of that will crash you natural levels.


bro you can disagree but i am right

wrong wrong wrong.. hcg will keep your nuts full, but it does not keep ur natty test levels up during a cycle, if you want to have some test in your system during a deca cycle, then its gonna be coming from a bottle marked test....no one is going to cycle hcg throughout an entire cycle eod, it has been shown that with repeated use, the body will start to get a tolerance to hcg and it will no longer even be effective.
just take some maintenance level of test along with ur deca cycle bro.

 

[LVTitan]

Heres a question:

Since Deca has low androgenic activity as mentioned, is it possible that with a very high dose of it there will be enough androgenicity to keep the sex drive intact and prevent deca dick? (and so test will not be needed)

make sure to take some dostinex with that cycle to prevent the elevated progesterone levels that shadow just mentioned, and you could also take some proviron to keep andro activity up... imo test is cheaper than proviron tho.

 

[Stryker1992]

wrong wrong wrong.. hcg will keep your nuts full, but it does not keep ur natty test levels up during a cycle, if you want to have some test in your system during a deca cycle, then its gonna be coming from a bottle marked test....no one is going to cycle hcg throughout an entire cycle eod, it has been shown that with repeated use, the body will start to get a tolerance to hcg and it will no longer even be effective.
just take some maintenance level of test along with ur deca cycle bro.

Research from med journals states:


In a man the luteinizing hormone stimulates the Leydig's cells in the testes; this in turn stimulates production of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone production. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. As mentioned, oral and injectable steroids cause a negative feedback after a certain level and duration of usage. A signal is sent to the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis since the steroids give the hypothalamus an incorrect signal. The hypothalamus, in turn, signals the hypophysis to reduce or stop the production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and of LH. Thus, the testosterone production decreases since the testosterone-producing Leydig's cells in the testes, due to decreased LH, are no longer sufficiently stimulated. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testosterone production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing steroid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably.

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[LVTitan]

Research from med journals states:


. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testosterone production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing steroid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably.

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what part of ur above statement counteracts what i said.. i said use it after.

 

[Apexx]

sorry LV and stryker, gonna have to disagree with you guys. HCG does not directly increase test, but rather indirectly helps to increase it. It also should be taken in preperation of pct, not during.

"Its action in the male body is like that of LH, stimulating the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone even in the absence of endogenous LH. HCG is therefore used during longer or heavier steroid cycles to maintain testicular size and condition, or to bring atrophied (shrunken) testicles back up to their original condition in preparation for post-cycle Clomid therapy. This process is necessary because atrophied testicles produce reduced levels of natural testosterone, this situation should be rectified prior to post-cycle Clomid therapy.

HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production. "

 

[help4john]

The best way to keep your test and drive up during Deca use is by adding Test into your cycle. To be safe, keep the mg of Test higher than the mg of Deca. For example, if I were to use 400mg Deca EW, the amount of Test that I use will be 500mg EW. As Titan mentioned, Dostinex will help further by counteracting the progesterone sides associated with Deca (or use some Winny but I like the sides of Dostinex). The recommended dosage for Dostinex is .25 mg to .5mg E4D.

PS: You indicated that you were a newbie. If this is your first cycle....don't use Deca. Judge how you react to Deca during your second or third cycle. Good luck!

 

[Anthony Starks]

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No HCG artificially raises LH levels, but as soon as you stop taking it your levels will dip again. It can also desensitizes your leydig cells, which can make recovery even more difficult.

 

[LVTitan]

sorry LV and stryker, gonna have to disagree with you guys. HCG does not directly increase test, but rather indirectly helps to increase it. It also should be taken in preperation of pct, not during.

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i think we are on the same page apexx.. i use the hcg in the time period when the esters are clearing my system, then i do the nolva pct. i dont use hcg during pct, but rather going into it ... i think that is what you say also, and thats what i recommend.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

I have a lot of experience with HCG... I've used it many times. I can tell you from this experience that it does NOT return your HPTA to normal when used by itself during PCT. If the search mechanism of this board wasn't useless... I'd bring up my past threads where I had posted my lab-work. After one particular cycle... I did 3 weeks of HCG therapy, concurrent Novadex. I waited a month and had blood work done. From a Endocinological stand point... I was a woman! My dominant hormones were Estrogen & Cortisol... with almost NO TEST to speak of.

HCG is very useful in preventing testicular atrophy... and it does cause an increase in Test production while you're on it.
However, it is very supressive.