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lplionheart

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Hey guys. I am trying to plan my 2nd cycle. I did prop
On my first cycle, gained 8kg but a litle bit was fat.
I am wanting to do 500mg sustanon and also add deca. I hear great things about it
How much deca do you reckon will be enough. They come in 200mg 10ml viles. Alsoo
How long do you reckon is good to take them. 10weeks? Ill get clomid, adex and propecia
Aswel. Thanks
 
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anywhere between 200-400 mg a week should be a good addition to test for your second cycle. Deca has a long ester so it takes awhile for it to build up in your system.. therefor you will want to run this between 12-16 weeks. Keep in mind that Deca greatly elevates prolactin levels which can cause libido problems, and also may cause prolactin induced gyno (lactating). You will want to add Caber to keep this under control. Also Deca is harder to recover from then other hormones so you may want to add something to Clomid for PCT.
 
I think 400mg is best for results . I heard anything less is a waste.

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Ill look into caber. See if my guy has some. I cant get hcg. I took osterine on my lastpct and kept all my gain. Should i get nolva aswel?
 
You can get caber from most research chemical websites. An HCG blast at the end of your cycle would really help with the recovery, but it is not a must. You could run a product like HCGenerate during cycle to prevent total shut down, this will also help with libido. As far as PCT, Forma Stanzol is a great addition as well as some natural test boosters. Ostarine would be a good idea again as well. needtobuildmuscle.net and mrsupps.com are great places to get products for on cycle and pct support.
 
Your cycle could look something like this:

1-16 Test Sust 500 mg/week
1-15 Deca 400 mg/week

1-18 adex .5 mg EOD
1-18 Caber .5 mg E3D

7-18 HCGenerate 1 Serving

PCT:

1-4 Clomid 25/25/25/25
1-4 Forma Stanzol 5 pumps, twice per day
1-4 Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo
1-4 D-AA
1-4 Ostarine 25 mg per day
 
Both compounds contain the decanoate ester so half life will be the same.. but I would stop the deca a week before the test, so that the test is the last thing clearing your system
 
Is there anything else apart from propecia that stops hair loss?
I just read about how deca increases hair loss when taking propecia.
I had a bit of shedding on prop 100mg eod. So will be alot worse with 500mg sust and deca.
Or should i try a different stack?
 
testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed.

Finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common. If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.
 
I just read that bold uses dht to gain mass so i cant use fina with it to stop hairloss.
Is deca a good enough 5 ar inhibitor so that it will limit the amount of test conversion?
Otherwise is there anything i can stack with sust and fina that has low sides.
I just dont want to lose to much more hair, im a pt and i will look like a skinhead if i shave my head.
Thanks
 
Would hair loss be minimal if i only took like 300mg of sust with 200mg deca and some eq?
Would the gains be decent and would i still need fina and caber?
 
I am not an expert by any means when it comes to hair loss.. so i don't have much to say about that. For your second cycle I would stick with either deca or EQ. I think EQ would be a better option.. less sides, leaner gains, and will be easier to recover from. EQ also has a long ester so you will want to run this around 16 weeks. 400-600 mg per week.. the sides are usually low with EQ so I think you could handle 600. There is no need to run caber with EQ as well.

I have been taking Bosley vitamins for hair loss the past year and it seems to be working fine. I am taking them just because I am getting older and starting to thin on top, not because of AAS use. My lady friend is a licensed cosmetologist and gets them from a store that you have to have a license to purchase. There is also n2shampoo at needtobuildmuscle.net , I have never used this but n2 products are top of the line so you may want to look into that.
 
If you're planning on running nandrolone as a cycle I'd personally consider using the propionate or phenylpropionate esters (along with a similar test), more pinning involved but deca can shut you down hard and running it 12-16 weeks is gonna be a bitch to recover from, where if you use the shorter esters you could run an 8 weeks cycle and get similar gains... Also you would suffer less bloat and wouldn't have to spend so long on finasteride etc... Just another option to consider... Definately run the caber either way...
 
Personally.. I would run Test at 500 mg a week. If you are really worried about your hair loss, then fina would be a must.
 
Will 1mg a day be alright for fina or would i need more. Does it require a loading phase and will it diminish alot of results from the test/bold.
Will this combo give out decent gains?
 
Hey guys. I am trying to plan my 2nd cycle. I did prop
On my first cycle, gained 8kg but a litle bit was fat.
I am wanting to do 500mg sust and also add deca. I hear great things about it
How much deca do you reckon will be enough. They come in 200mg 10ml viles. Alsoo
How long do you reckon is good to take them. 10weeks? Ill get clomid, adex and propecia
Aswel. Thanks

Most do well at 2mg per lb of bodyweight. A 200lb pound would need at least 400mg wk IMO.
 
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