Deca ancillary questions

[piningettysburg]

i'm planning my winter cycle and i'm thinking about this
1-14 450mg test-e
1-12 300mg deca
1-4 50mg dbol
1-10 250iu 2x/wk hcg

here are my stats

4th cycle
25 years old
6' 220 lbs
training on and off for last 12-13 years, consistently last 8
diet/training are in check

i've been researching deca and i'll be honest, i'm a litle lost when it comes to deca+ancillaries. i AM researching, so chill with the flaming plz

here goes
1) for the all-important PCT.. can i run a standard nolva 40/40/30/20? or is nolva no-go with deca?

2)for estrogen and progesterone.. i've read (almost everywhere) that their side-effects are so close it's hard to tell them apart. if i feel anything going on with my nipples do i run separate compounds for each? or one for both?

3)if i run separate compounds for each... adex for estrogen and bromo for progesterone? i hate to admit it but dostinex is pretty much out of my reach this winter (college budget)

4)ive heard talk of letro and deca, but haven't found any studies/solid-info on the combo.. wut role would letro play in the above cycle?

5)lastly, which of the above compounds would help with bloat? i've always run adex in the past, but this is my first 19-nor cycle

i know it's a lot to answer, and i appreciate all who reply

 

[OMEGA]

If your AI usage is sufficient you wont need anything else ( ie Aromasin at 10-15 mgs 3 times a week)

Deca though really is best at 250 week and under
All the benefits with no sides

 

[layinback]

if your ai usage is sufficient you wont need anything else ( ie aromasin at 10-15 mgs 3 times a week)

deca though really is best at 250 week and under
all the benefits with no sides

+1

 

[OMEGA]

True, if one looks at the studier a mere 100-150 week leads to positive Calcium and Mineral deposition as well and collagen synthesis and skin elasticity

 

[layinback]

True, if one looks at the studier a mere 100-150 week leads to positive Calcium and Mineral deposition as well and collagen synthesis and skin elasticity

and in controlled double blind studies, 200 mg of nandrolone produced
more lean mass gains then 200 mg of testosterone with virtually no sides.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

You remind me of myself during my first 2 cycles, except you didn't include Propecia to avoid male pattern baldness and prostate enlargement.
By my 3rd cycle I realized I didn't need anything more than legit gear. Having ancillaries on hand is a good idea, but use it as needed only - that's my opinion and experience. Understand that suppressing all estrogen will retard muscular gains.
As far as PCT goes: I've used Nolva/Clomid/HCG in varying dosages and durations. Every time it just delayed the inevitable crash. Insulin (post workout) and 10mg Dbol every morning was the ONLY thing that kept my gains between cycles.
WARNING: I don't recommend insulin use for anyone with out a doctors supervision - a little can kill. I haven't used it myself in close to a year, and prolly never will again. Even when I used it with the right amount of carbs/protein at the right intervals - I still felt like shit for several hours afterwords.

 

[piningettysburg]

i've heard so many people say when it comes to deca less is more, i'm going to start there. if i don't like the results this time around, and there are no sides, i'll run it higher next time around.

omega, to be honest i would rather only take what is absolutely necessary. so i like ur idea of sticking with only an AI. i have sum adex left over so i'll run that out. but as far as keeping something stronger on hand, what would you recommend? i've never needed nemore than .5mg adex a few times a week, but since this is my first time around w/ any 19-nor i'd rather be safe

 

[nzrodney]

You remind me of myself during my first 2 cycles, except you didn't include Propecia to avoid male pattern baldness and prostate enlargement.
By my 3rd cycle I realized I didn't need anything more than legit gear. Having ancillaries on hand is a good idea, but use it as needed only - that's my opinion and experience. Understand that suppressing all estrogen will retard muscular gains.
As far as PCT goes: I've used Nolva/Clomid/HCG in varying dosages and durations. Every time it just delayed the inevitable crash. Insulin (post workout) and 10mg Dbol every morning was the ONLY thing that kept my gains between cycles.
WARNING: I don't recommend insulin use for anyone with out a doctors supervision - a little can kill. I haven't used it myself in close to a year, and prolly never will again. Even when I used it with the right amount of carbs/protein at the right intervals - I still felt like shit for several hours afterwords.

Hear where you are coming from on ancilaries. Dbol for bridging Ha Ha. So you never really went off LOL

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Hear where you are coming from on ancilaries. Dbol for bridging Ha Ha. So you never really went off LOL

There are theories that claim by taking a single morning dbol dose, your natural test levels will come back to normal. I can't say if that's true or not.
Bottom line: LOL - I never really came off the one time I didn't lose any gains between cycles...

 

[6FULLMETALTRUCKIE9]

So to just add to the dog bone pile .I'd about to do a cycle of Decca and Suston250 will I need to play the sides game with this cycle also ? Never did either compound and like the owner of this thread I like to know before I get to stickin oh yeah I've heard of guys using insulin to keep there gains after the fact what's a diabetic like me that uses 30iu of insulin 3xed can exspect to gain keep hell anything !!FMT

 

[Powerbuilder333]

So to just add to the dog bone pile .I'd about to do a cycle of Decca and Suston250 will I need to play the sides game with this cycle also ? Never did either compound and like the owner of this thread I like to know before I get to stickin oh yeah I've heard of guys using insulin to keep there gains after the fact what's a diabetic like me that uses 30iu of insulin 3xed can exspect to gain keep hell anything !!FMT

Tim Belknap
Tim Belknap Bodybuilder
was the first diabetic bodybuilder to reach the National level. He might be willing to assist a fellow diabetic (?). I personally have no clue on what you can expect.
I strongly caution you to start with the smallest of AAS dosages to gauge your reactions - not only for monitoring traditional AAS related sides, but for any impact it might have on your blood sugar levels.
250mg Sust/200mg Deca once a week would be a safe starting point for 90% + of the adult male population. You might want to try half that dose once a week for the first 4 weeks to test your reaction.
Good luck.